Sonic & Knuckles with Lock on coming to Wii

[jackaroo]

http://sonicstadium.org/news/sonic-k...irtual-console

This is kind of old news now but I didnt see any mention of it here and I knew that people had wondered about this. It seems that Sonic & Knuckles is coming to the Japanese Virtual Console soon (Actually today in fact) complete with its lock on feature. It will be avaliable to those who have both versions of the game (I.E If you have Sonic & knuckles and Sonic 3 you can play Sonic 3 & Knuckles). Still no news on when it comes to EU & US though.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Soon hopefully. With Japan out the way, we can't be too much longer, seeming as we ve waited years for this game to come to VC.

Now we move on to other Sonic matters, like when are the Master System versions of Spinball and Mean Bean Machine are coming. lol. XD

[Ouenben]

Already have Sonic mega collection on gamecube and Sonic 3 AND Sonic & knuckles (with lock on) on XBLA so I probably won't bother with this. I'm really glad it made it in the end though, the best sonic game ever made

[Mickeymac]

Really glad this made it in. I wish I could get it, but I'll probably get the XBLA versions of Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knucles, since they're cheaper, if I recall correctly.

[jackaroo]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

Really glad this made it in. I wish I could get it, but I'll probably get the XBLA versions of Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knucles, since they're cheaper, if I recall correctly.

Dont. If you have the choice go with this one. The XBLA one has removed the built in save feature and replaced it with save states only. That means that once you beat the game you cant replay a level unless you play through the game again to reach it. Cheats are unavailable also so it takes away quite a few fun features (like debug mode).

If your able to then id recommend you go with this version to keep the game in its original state. If your not bothered about the missing features though then the XBLA version is fine.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by jackaroo

Dont. If you have the choice go with this one. The XBLA one has removed the built in save feature and replaced it with save states only. That means that once you beat the game you cant replay a level unless you play through the game again to reach it. Cheats are unavailable also so it takes away quite a few fun features (like debug mode).

If your able to then id recommend you go with this version to keep the game in its original state. If your not bothered about the missing features though then the XBLA version is fine.

I never used saves anyways. I always started a new game every time I turned it on, and always played 'till I get a Game over and start all over again. That's how I play every Sonic game, and it's why I love them so much.

And I can't do those cheats for ****. They're way too long.

[jackaroo]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

I never used saves anyways. I always started a new game every time I turned it on, and always played 'till I get a Game over and start all over again. That's how I play every Sonic game, and it's why I love them so much.

And I can't do those cheats for ****. They're way too long.

XBLA should be fine for you then. I Just know that the save feature & cheats being removed bothers alot of people (including myself. Im more bothered about the save feature though. I can live without the cheats.).

[kawaiipikachu]

I most probably expect a menu at start showing which of the 4 lock on options you want to play .
I wondering if it can detect the sonic triligoy if its on the SD card or does it have to be installed in the main memory .

I read somewhere theres a minigame where if you plug in an incompatible game & hold down AB&C you get this minigame & each game you plug in reveals a completely different level .

Edit
At least this be an upgrade from the one I geot built in my Pocket Megadrive.

[hansolo350]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

I most probably expect a menu at start showing which of the 4 lock on options you want to play .

Sounds like you saw this video:

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=101620

[Angelic Lapras King]

Yay, Hyper Sonic! XD

[slangman]

Glad they decided to allow the lock on feature. I will be getting as soon as it comes out. Shouldn't take too long since it's been rated everyware.

[Yossarian]

Originally Posted by Angelic Lapras King

Yay, Hyper Sonic! XD

Yay Doomsday Zone!

It would be really good if they allowed you to play the levels in the intended order as shown on the Sonic 3 cheat screen.

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by hansolo350

Sounds like you saw this video:

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=101620

Nope i never saw that video at all .
Still wonder if it regonize the games from SD card or not .
But still its a nice upgrade from my Pocket Megadrive version which doesnt have the lockon feature plus being NTSC it produces a fuzzy image .

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

Nope i never saw that video at all .
Still wonder if it regonize the games from SD card or not .
But still its a nice upgrade from my Pocket Megadrive version which doesnt have the lockon feature plus being NTSC it produces a fuzzy image .

It's a fuzzy image because it's a cheaply made 3rd party (officially licenced or something though) handheld megadrive emulator.
And at least it's running at full speed if it's NTSC.

I know NTSC is a lower resolution than PAL but not significantly enough that it would even be noticeable on a fair size screen nevermind on a small handheld games device.

[Betagam7]

Any European with common sense wouldn't buy SEGA's awful 50hz VC releases of Sonic anyway.

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by Ouenben

It's a fuzzy image because it's a cheaply made 3rd party (officially licenced or something though) handheld megadrive emulator.
And at least it's running at full speed if it's NTSC.

I know NTSC is a lower resolution than PAL but not significantly enough that it would even be noticeable on a fair size screen nevermind on a small handheld games device.

Being cheaply made doesnt help And i was referencing to its TV output not its cheap LCD .

the LCD is slightly underresolution & its also has a cheaper pixle layout which the 2 together impedes quality but still a sharper image on the LCD than a TV .
I knew its was cheap so when i got it i didn't expect it to be perfect .

btw the PAL image system does provide a better image quality image than NTSC which been nicknamed Nether The Same Colour or Nether Twice Same Colour .

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by jackaroo

Dont. If you have the choice go with this one. The XBLA one has removed the built in save feature and replaced it with save states only. That means that once you beat the game you cant replay a level unless you play through the game again to reach it. Cheats are unavailable also so it takes away quite a few fun features (like debug mode).

If your able to then id recommend you go with this version to keep the game in its original state.

While this might be good advice for MickeyMac its odd that you would use the term "its orginal state" when the PAL version available to you and I is anything but the way the game was originally intended to be played.
How any Sonic fan can want to play those atrocious s-l-o-w, squashed conversions is beyond me.

[jackaroo]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

While this might be good advice for MickeyMac its odd that you would use the term "its orginal state" when the PAL version available to you and I is anything but the way the game was originally intended to be played.
How any Sonic fan can want to play those atrocious s-l-o-w, squashed conversions is beyond me.

Its been a while since ive played the game on a megadrive and since ive played one on the VC. But I was under the impression that certain titles had been sped up for the original megadrive console, such as the sonic series (except Sonic 1) & Earthworm Jim. I thought they wouldve still been the same speed on VC too (I have Sonic 2 on VC But havent played it in ages so dont remember how fast it was lol).

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by jackaroo

Its been a while since ive played the game on a megadrive and since ive played one on the VC. But I was under the impression that certain titles had been sped up for the original megadrive console, such as the sonic series (except Sonic 1) & Earthworm Jim. I thought they wouldve still been the same speed on VC too (I have Sonic 2 on VC But havent played it in ages so dont remember how fast it was lol).

Well Sonic 2 had its speed optomized .
Besides which complaning about poor PAL conversions do nothing so just get on & download the game .

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

Well Sonic 2 had its speed optomized .
Besides which complaning about poor PAL conversions do nothing so just get on & download the game .

Complaining makes the problem known. Not downloading it gives the company incentive to respond to the complaints. If they have a problem with a product, why should they buy it?

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

Complaining makes the problem known. Not downloading it gives the company incentive to respond to the complaints. If they have a problem with a product, why should they buy it?

Well it never worked before so why would it work now .

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

Well it never worked before so why would it work now .

A) If they keep doing it, there's still a chance of a change
B) They still have a problem with it. If you don't like something, don't buy it. It's a lot better than buying it anyways despite knowing the problem and still complaining about it.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by jackaroo

Its been a while since ive played the game on a megadrive and since ive played one on the VC. But I was under the impression that certain titles had been sped up for the original megadrive console, such as the sonic series (except Sonic 1) & Earthworm Jim. I thought they wouldve still been the same speed on VC too (I have Sonic 2 on VC But havent played it in ages so dont remember how fast it was lol).

Sonic 2 was partially optimised for the Megadrive but it still has the borders and squashed display. The VC versions don't fix these.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

A) If they keep doing it, there's still a chance of a change
B) They still have a problem with it. If you don't like something, don't buy it. It's a lot better than buying it anyways despite knowing the problem and still complaining about it.

There's no point in trying to reason with or engage him Mickey. People like Kawaii are the reason the modern generation runs on apathy. To them, nothing will ever work so there's no point in them even getting out of bed in the morning.

As usual he's also completely wrong, complaints (and the emergence of the grey import scene that people turned to as an alternative to poor PAL conversions) played a big part in the seismic changes that occured in PAL gaming across the late 90's and early 00's.

[slangman]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Sonic 2 was partially optimised for the Megadrive but it still has the borders and squashed display. The VC versions don't fix these.

So was Sonic 3, but thats also a squashed mess.

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

Well Sonic 2 had its speed optomized .
Besides which complaning about poor PAL conversions do nothing so just get on & download the game.

Just complaining won't be enough, but that’s no reason to download those awful 50Hz-fests and ignore the problem. There are other ways of playing the Sonic games (e.g. buy the PS2, PS3 Sega collection disks). Or if you really want to play all the VC games in their proper state import a NTSC Wii. If more people done this, then NoE, Sega and SNK will realise that their PAL games are losing sales, because of the lack of proper PAL conversion.

[Kobayashi]

Sonic & Knuckles is an awesome game. In my opinion, is better than your "twin" Sonic 3.

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

Well it never worked before so why would it work now .

At least they've tried something, since when did ignoring a problem work either?

[SuperSmashBrosFan]

I am defindently looking foward to getting my hand on this. My 4th most anticapated game to see an VC release.

On topic, this is amazing news.

[Kevin]

I'm glad to see the blue spheres game is gonna be included. I use to mess around on that a lot.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Good news, we Euro chaps are getting it next week after being rated for so long...

[RetroNL]

Yeah its here, wont buy it though (have it on collectors disc).

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

Yeah its here, wont buy it though (have it on collectors disc).

Well i allready got a copy of the game via my 20 in 1 Pocket Mega Drive but still i will gladly download this just for the lock-on its self .

[LinkFanatic]

Never played these. Stopped after Sonic 2 was a letdown from the first one

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by LinkFanatic

Never played these. Stopped after Sonic 2 was a letdown from the first one

What with Tales ?
You cant just dis Sonic 2 as Sonic 2 has the cutiest 2 tailed fox ever .

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by LinkFanatic

Never played these. Stopped after Sonic 2 was a letdown from the first one

First time I've ever heard anyone of this view. Interesting though, what didn't you like about sonic 2?

[LinkFanatic]

Originally Posted by Ouenben

First time I've ever heard anyone of this view. Interesting though, what didn't you like about sonic 2?

I'm not exactly sure what it was in particular, I just couldn't get into the game or the levels like I did the first one. Maybe now I'm older, I should dl from VC and try again. I've heard nothing but good things about Sonic 2, so maybe it was just not my thing back then...dunno

[evildevil97]

I'm not sure, but I think I wouldve actually preferred the lock on games to just be extra VC channels.

[Bades]

Hey I know this topic is dead but being new to VC did the US ever get this lock-on? I have bought the sonic games more times than anyone ever should but I would again for the lock-on for VC.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by Bades

Hey I know this topic is dead but being new to VC did the US ever get this lock-on? I have bought the sonic games more times than anyone ever should but I would again for the lock-on for VC.

Yeah, the lock-on works.

[Bades]

After reading the full thread it sounds like these games have issues?