The Revenge of Shinobi review

[R.O.B.]

The Revenge of Shinobi - MD/GEN

Once again, you are Shinobi, but this time you're out not to free hostages, but to gain your revenge.All you have to do is go around killing people with "shurikens", or throwing knives. You can also get power pack upgrades. Once you touch them, your knives turn into fire and you get a ni..

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Source: Nintendo Life

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Damo put his name on some high-schooler's review. The high-schooler gave it a 9/10.

[Sharecrow]

I agree that this is an outstanding game. 9 seems a little high to me though.

I didn't read the review.... I've already played this

[Mickeymac]

Considering how much I love the Shinobi Series, I'll probably pick this one up the moment it's released in NA. Can't wait!

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

Damo put his name on some high-schooler's review. The high-schooler gave it a 9/10.

Although to his credit he's finally reviewed an actual VC release instead of a ROM. Pity that in doing so he's once again forgotten to mention the inevitable awful PAL conversion.

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Although to his credit he's finally reviewed an actual VC release instead of a ROM. Pity that in doing so he's once again forgotten to mention the inevitable awful PAL conversion.

What ?
When have that bothered so many people .

The funny thing is that spidey might have turned pink in this edition but the TecToy/AtGames version has the copyright still visable thru i never gotten to see spidey himself .

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

What ?
When have that bothered so many people .

Try reading it again, you'll find that unlike 99% of your posts it is expressed quite clearly. I can't even be bothered to work out what you don't understand this time.

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Try reading it again, you'll find that unlike 99% of your posts it is expressed quite clearly. I can't even be bothered to work out what you don't understand this time.

Im talking about the poor pal conversion .
I just accept it as it is especially like in the past complaning never works .

[RetroNL]

Just quit the unimportant jabbing and be happy this great game is released .
I dont care if that Spiderman is red or pink, or that it is PAL. (If you look at graphics) That dumb talk about PAL games being less good is a big gossiptalk.
On the contrary Pal has even higher resolutions than the NTSCs do. And even the import games will be released here, so whats the deal.

Here some info for the 'wise' people among us.

PAL: Lines/Fields 625/50 Active Lines 576 Video bandwith 5 - 6 mhz
NTSC 525/60 480 4 - 4,5 mhz

[Diebythesword]

Perfect for Ninjafest

[slangman]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

Just quit the unimportant jabbing and be happy this great game is released .
I dont care if that Spiderman is red or pink, or that it is PAL. (If you look at graphics) That dumb talk about PAL games being less good is a big gossiptalk.
On the contrary Pal has even higher resolutions than the NTSCs do. And even the import games will be released here, so whats the deal.

Here some info for the 'wise' people among us.

PAL: Lines/Fields 625/50 Active Lines 576 Video bandwith 5 - 6 mhz
NTSC 525/60 480 4 - 4,5 mhz

Better picture resolution means nothing when you are playing a game 17.5% slower with a squashed look.

[RetroNL]

Originally Posted by slangman

Better picture resolution means nothing when you are playing a game 17.5% slower with a squashed look.

Hmm, its a shame then, I read more about it. Its because the lame Japanese people also worked with the 'old' NTSC system so it was generaly made for NTSC specs.
Its a good thing that the Pal/Ntsc issue doesnt affect todays lcds. Still I dont understand why they dont release the NTSC version in EU to VC then.
Maybe its because of the rights or that people here where used to PAL (and still have old analog Tvs).
But ehh how does this affect SECAM ? Wasnt it allmost the same as NTSC ?

btw read this:

'a game like ISS 64, for example, is actually tweaked and improved while it’s being converted to PAL (the UK version actually runs FASTER than the original). What happens then is that the enhanced and altered PAL version is re-converted back to NTSC and sold in Japan as a special "Perfect Striker World Edition" [The original version of ISS featured club teams and was called "J-League Perfect Striker" in Japan – Ed], which helps recoup the costs.'

You should read some more: source http://worldofstuart.excellentconten...d/n64/hate.htm

I Mean, why didnt they put more interest in the possibilities of PAL ? Even PAL could have been a bit faster than most games really where + you had the better screen resolutions compared to Ntsc.
I think its just the money issues where the fact and that they have ntsc home use, but even then . .

[Tull]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

Its a good thing that the Pal/Ntsc issue doesnt affect todays lcds.

How nice of you to bring this issue up.

Its waaay worse with HDTV's, the scalers and make image look pretty for the movie buffs is generating INPUT LAG for the gamers(Thats US! [x] check)
THIS is a BIGGER issue than 17% slower gameplay witout any input lag as it thouches everyone and you cant just import around it if you wanted like the old days.
Even when the device output matches the screens native rez you are not imune!!!

If you are concerned about PAL/NTSC -17% you should have a nightmare now!(If not you are super rich and also informed!)

PAL Sonic(purists likes to lol @ that, so its my example) on a HD screen... HF playing that(-17% speed and 20-100ms~ inputlag(dependeing on screen and the input you feed it))...

Conclusion:
Borders and slower gameplay is not as an broken product as the screens you play them on, WAKE THE **** UP GAMERS! : - P
/end rant or something

[slangman]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

Hmm, its a shame then, I read more about it. Its because the lame Japanese people also worked with the 'old' NTSC system so it was generaly made for NTSC specs.
Its a good thing that the Pal/Ntsc issue doesnt affect todays lcds. Still I dont understand why they dont release the NTSC version in EU to VC then.

Most likley a rights thing. Also some people don't own a TV that can handle a NTSC signal. However it's easy to convert a game from 50hz to PAL60hz nowadays.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

Im talking about the poor pal conversion .
I just accept it as it is especially like in the past complaning never works .

Except that in the past complaining DID work and we had N64 games running in full screen and full speed and a 60hz option included as manual and enforced by Sega of all people (now one of the worst offenders on VC) on the Dreamcast.
Strage that as a 23 year old you don't appear to know this. Hmm...
The reason things have gone backwards is because of two reasons:

1. We no longer have journalists with the balls and integrity of Stuart Campbell (see the post below) instead suffering the Nintendolaffs of this world.

2. Too many gamers nowerdays find it too much of an effort to complain to those responsible, preferring instead to waste their time doing productive things like flooding messageboards with endless inane and poorly spelled opinion polls about whether or not people like to sing in the shower.

Originally Posted by RetroNL

Hmm, its a shame then, I read more about it.

Next time it might be helpful to do so before posting ill informed nonsense about "gossiptalk" and "wise" people, which frankly came across as rather arrogant especially when what you were saying was wrong.
The interview you posted with Stuart Campbell is excellent though, he used to write for the UK Mag Super Play which was the first magazine I can recall having the cajones to actually take people to task over this. Now we have journalists who, by and large, are just after a free lunch.

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Except that in the past complaining DID work and we had N64 games running in full screen and full speed and a 60hz option included as manual and enforced by Sega of all people (now one of the worst offenders on VC) on the Dreamcast.
Strage that as a 23 year old you don't appear to know this. Hmm...
The reason things have gone backwards is because of two reasons:

1. We no longer have journalists with the balls and integrity of Stuart Campbell (see the post below) instead suffering the Nintendolaffs of this world.

2. Too many gamers nowerdays find it too much of an effort to complain to those responsible, preferring instead to waste their time doing productive things like flooding messageboards with endless inane and poorly spelled opinion polls about whether or not people like to sing in the shower.



Next time it might be helpful to do so before posting ill informed nonsense about "gossiptalk" and "wise" people, which frankly came across as rather arrogant especially when what you were saying was wrong.
The interview you posted with Stuart Campbell is excellent though, he used to write for the UK Mag Super Play which was the first magazine I can recall having the cajones to actually take people to task over this. Now we have journalists who, by and large, are just after a free lunch.

The only reason that we have proper PAL conversion is because of the technology ect not because the 5 people complaining I don't expect much more of a response these days as compaired to now where there are a hell of a lot more people to complain about & yet i don't expect much more of a resopnse so all i could say is just live with it & download the games .

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

The only reason that we have proper PAL conversion is because of the technology ect not because the 5 people complaining I don't expect much more of a response these days as compaired to now where there are a hell of a lot more people to complain about & yet i don't expect much more of a resopnse so all i could say is just live with it & download the games .

No.

Proper PAL conversions were available long before "the technology" which I presume is your loose definition of 60hz. See
http://www.gamasutra.com/news/columns/?story=23066 for details of one such game, soon to be coming to the VC.
Your first sentence is also self-contradictory as it implies we "HAVE proper PAL conversion(s)" which clearly, from the premise of this discussion we do not.
Now please stop commenting on things you clearly don't understand as there is a danger people might read your post and actually believe it to be fact.

[slangman]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

The only reason that we have proper PAL conversion is because of the technology ect not because the 5 people complaining I don't expect much more of a response these days as compaired to now where there are a hell of a lot more people to complain about & yet i don't expect much more of a resopnse so all i could say is just live with it & download the games .

That’s not a good idea. By just living with the problem and downloading games like this, you are encouraging more poor PAL conversions.

[RetroNL]

Next time it might be helpful to do so before posting ill informed nonsense about "gossiptalk" and "wise" people, which frankly came across as rather arrogant especially when what you were saying was wrong.
The interview you posted with Stuart Campbell is excellent though, he used to write for the UK Mag Super Play which was the first magazine I can recall having the cajones to actually take people to task over this. Now we have journalists who, by and large, are just after a free lunch.

[RetroNL]

Originally Posted by Tull

How nice of you to bring this issue up.

Its waaay worse with HDTV's, the scalers and make image look pretty for the movie buffs is generating INPUT LAG for the gamers(Thats US! [x] check)
THIS is a BIGGER issue than 17% slower gameplay witout any input lag as it thouches everyone and you cant just import around it if you wanted like the old days.
Even when the device output matches the screens native rez you are not imune!!!

If you are concerned about PAL/NTSC -17% you should have a nightmare now!(If not you are super rich and also informed!)

PAL Sonic(purists likes to lol @ that, so its my example) on a HD screen... HF playing that(-17% speed and 20-100ms~ inputlag(dependeing on screen and the input you feed it))...

Conclusion:
Borders and slower gameplay is not as an broken product as the screens you play them on, WAKE THE **** UP GAMERS! : - P
/end rant or something

I use component, so maybe that would also be an advantage to it.

[Tull]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

I use component, so maybe that would also be an advantage to it.

What i address is what happens when the screen receive input(thats after cable traversal) and wants to show it.

[RetroNL]

Originally Posted by Tull

What i address is what happens when the screen receive input(thats after cable traversal) and wants to show it.

Still . .where did you get this information from ? I mean its not a normal way that a futuristic system has problems with hardware that is 10 years or older.
Even when NTSC and PAL arent really technical issues anymore (only coding). That way anyone on earth could have problems with it, not only Europe for instance.

[Tull]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag
Biggest offender is scaling SD to HD...

[Mickeymac]

Blast you, Shinobi, why must you tempt me! Bah, fine, if nothing good comes out on Monday, I will get this game!!

[RetroNL]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

Blast you, Shinobi, why must you tempt me! Bah, fine, if nothing good comes out on Monday, I will get this game!!

You should get it anyway > One of the best games on Gen/MD.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

You should get it anyway > One of the best games on Gen/MD.

Considering it's not on Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection or even Sega Genesis Collection, this could be one of the few Sega published Sega Genesis game that warrants a buy (I say "could" because I haven't played it yet).

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Refa

Considering it's not on Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection or even Sega Genesis Collection, this could be one of the few Sega published Sega Genesis game that warrants a buy (I say "could" because I haven't played it yet).

It is on the Sega Smash Pack though, although the emulation on that wasn't the best.