Ironclad (Shmup) Gets ESRB Rating

[Kobayashi]

Shmup'ing its way onto the North American Virtual Console
The North American shoot-em-up crowd may have looked at the Japanese Virtual Console with some envy the past few months for having the Neo Geo CD release Ironclad ready and willing, but the jealous glare will hopefully soon diminish as the Entertainment Software Rating Board has put their stamp on it.
The Neo Geo game has been rated Everyone 10+ for fantasy violence and mild language. ESRB, would you care to explain?

This is a side-scrolling shooter in which players control a small aircraft that battles enemies in an alternate 1920s setting. Players use flame-guns, missiles, lasers, and rockets to destroy an assortment of small spaceships and robotic creatures. As players manoeuvre and attack in the foreground, images of houses burning, buildings in ruins may appear in the background. The laser fire is loud and constant, and enemies burst into fiery explosions amid the frenetic combat. Text-based dialogue includes the phrases "[W]e come in to have some gore," "cheerful torture brothers," and "killin' is such a bore." The word damn also appears in the text.


http://vc.nintendolife.com/reviews/2...irtual_console

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Kobayashi comments: more Neo Geo Shmups for VC, please !

[Diebythesword]

Thank ****in goodness, They better start releasing Ghost Pilots, Pulstar, Blazing Star, Twinkle Star Sprites, etc

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Maybe there will be a Neo Geo Shmup Collection released on disc. !!!

[Diebythesword]

Dream come true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[slangman]

Glad to see this getting released. The only thing putting me of getting the VC version is if this gets released on a Wii collection. Otherwise I will get this as soon as it is released.

[Refa]

What is Ironclad?...Besides the obvious. How does it play? If nothing else, this will be notable for being one of the 3 or so games on VC on the Neo Geo that isn't in a compilation.

[Betagam7]

It's confirmed as coming to Europe's next hanabi festival. It will be interesting to see whether we get the 60hz original or some sort of downgraded Sega style effort.

I'd consider getting the former but not the latter.

[Trapster]

Originally Posted by Diebythesword

Thank ****in goodness, They better start releasing Ghost Pilots, Pulstar, Blazing Star, Twinkle Star Sprites, etc

Dude, you should've seen the pricing of Blazing Star in a swedish game magazine lately. Crazy.

@Betagam7: Isn't it the same with Neo-Geo as with TG16?

[slangman]

Originally Posted by Trapster

@Betagam7: Isn't it the same with Neo-Geo as with TG16?

TG-16 runs in both 50hz and 60hz. Neo-Geo is 50hz only.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Trapster

Dude, you should've seen the pricing of Blazing Star in a swedish game magazine lately. Crazy.

@Betagam7: Isn't it the same with Neo-Geo as with TG16?

No, NEO GEO games on VC are 50hz bordered squashfests. All TG16 versions are the original NTSC versions as the console never made it to PAL territories.

However as we've not yet had a Neo Geo import release its impossible to tell whether we'll get the NTSC version or some gimped version crammed through a 50hz outputting emulator ala Sega.

[Angelic Lapras King]

How's it handling for those that brought it?

[Tull]

did not hook me enough to wanna replay it

[davyK]

Just tried it - despite getting a message prior to downloading it that this runs a 60Hz the image has borders top and bottom. Maybe the original was like this?

There are occasions when the frame rate suffers - usually when large boss-style enemies explode.

It doesn't feel all that slick to play - early days though.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by davyK

Just tried it - despite getting a message prior to downloading it that this runs a 60Hz the image has borders top and bottom. Maybe the original was like this?

There are occasions when the frame rate suffers - usually when large boss-style enemies explode.

It doesn't feel all that slick to play - early days though.

Is your Wii set to 60hz?

[slangman]

This is actually the canceled MVS/AES version NOT the Neo Geo CD version. I still might get this when it comes out in NA, but I am too used to the CD version music.

Not sure if this is 60hz/50hz, although I am suspicious this might be 50hz, after seeing a VC review on youtube of this (the game had borders). Empersise the words "might be 50hz".

Confused? I am too.

[davyK]

Wii is set to 60Hz (just checked!!)

Feels a bit shoddy overall though the game has a very interesting look to it.

The pre-download confirm screen before final purchase warns it runs in 60Hz - I might switch my Wii to 50Hz and see what happens...

[Betagam7]

Various complaints about this on Nintendolife's review page:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/201...#comment436517

Oh, Nintendo, must I report you to trading standards AGAIN? Erroneous advertising would indicate that I must. Davy, please try running the game at 50hz and tell me how you get on.

[davyK]

Tried playing this with 50Hz and 60Hz set in the Wii setup - don't notice any difference - the borders are the same size at any rate.

I have sent an email to the link that was recommended the referred review.

Its a shame as the game is good - it has a nice variation on the R-Type force orb and I like the look of it. It gets a bit jerky when things get busiy sometime (not game breaking though) but its hard to say if that is the emu or if the original was like that.

[Diebythesword]

Originally Posted by slangman

This is actually the canceled MVS/AES version NOT the Neo Geo CD version.

Interesting, Very interesting.

[SKTTR]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

All TG16 versions are the original NTSC versions as the console never made it to PAL territories.

So TG16/CD games for 600/800pts are from NA (import games) and not marked with the Hanabi logo.
and TG16/CD games for 700/900pts are from JP (import games) and marked with the Hanabi logo.

I'll never grasp that shet!

[Betagam7]

In a further update I've just checked the Wii shop and all Sega's downgraded Hanabi titles are stating "this game runs in 60hz" which is at best incorrect and at worst an outright lie and misselling of a product.

Can anyone who downloaded just double check that there hasn't been some magic update fix from Sega on their hanabi games before Trading Standards get contacted for the second time in a month about Nintendo.

SKTTR, maybe you can tell me if this message also appears on the German Wii shop. You have to go to the screen where you are about to buy the game (one step from final confirmation) to see it.

[SKTTR]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

In a further update I've just checked the Wii shop and all Sega's downgraded Hanabi titles are stating "this game runs in 60hz" which is at best incorrect and at worst an outright lie and misselling of a product.

Can anyone who downloaded just double check that there hasn't been some magic update fix from Sega on their hanabi games before Trading Standards get contacted for the second time in a month about Nintendo.

SKTTR, maybe you can tell me if this message also appears on the German Wii shop. You have to go to the screen where you are about to buy the game (one step from final confirmation) to see it.

Having a woman over here for the night, but I'll check tomorrow.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by SKTTR

Having a woman over here for the night, but I'll check tomorrow.

I saw a woman once...AND IT LOOKED AT ME!

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

I saw a woman once...AND IT LOOKED AT ME!

I heard that's the exact moment your soul comes out.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

I heard that's the exact moment your soul comes out.

So that's what that stuff was. My dry cleaning bills were astonishing!

On a related note I wonder if SKTTR managed to 100% her

[SKTTR]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

So that's what that stuff was. My dry cleaning bills were astonishing!

On a related note I wonder if SKTTR managed to 100% her

101% in 1:15.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by SKTTR

101% in 1:15.

Hahaha, I could never figure out what button to press to get that hidden 1% out of mine.

[slangman]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

In a further update I've just checked the Wii shop and all Sega's downgraded Hanabi titles are stating "this game runs in 60hz" which is at best incorrect and at worst an outright lie and misselling of a product.

Please tell me that post was just a joke. Nintendo are actually misleading leading people about crippled imports. WTF

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by slangman

Please tell me that post was just a joke. Nintendo are actually misleading leading people about crippled imports. WTF

it's not a joke, my suggestion is here as it is on the nintendolife page for this release. Complain.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Damn, and I was interested in this one too.

Out of interest, is this a Neo Geo game that goes for hundreds on ebay?

[Tull]

yea that it is

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

No, NEO GEO games on VC are 50hz bordered squashfests. All TG16 versions are the original NTSC versions as the console never made it to PAL territories.

Well that sucks. Good thing the TG16 games are apparently in 60hz for Europeans/other.

Originally Posted by SKTTR

So TG16/CD games for 600/800pts are from NA (import games) and not marked with the Hanabi logo.
and TG16/CD games for 700/900pts are from JP (import games) and marked with the Hanabi logo.

I'll never grasp that shet!

Just be happy that you don't have to pay more money for every TG16 game.

Originally Posted by Angelic Lapras King

Damn, and I was interested in this one too.

Out of interest, is this a Neo Geo game that goes for hundreds on ebay?

That would be...mostly every Neo Geo game....They all go for hundreds on eBay.

[Angelic Lapras King]

How many hundreds are with talking for Ironclad then? XD

[davyK]

I emailed a complaint to Nintendo's support desk about this and got a response a few days ago. They told me that they have removed the "plays at 60Hz" message and say they can't comment on the quality of the product as that is down to the publisher (D4E games in this instance).

VC and WiiWare is non-refundable (in the terms and conds of using the online services) but they took my Wii serial number and said Nintendo Europe might do something about it.

Will be interesting to see what happens. It would be nice if they do something for me.

I'll also send a complaint to D4E if I can.

[Tull]

Originally Posted by Angelic Lapras King

How many hundreds are with talking for Ironclad then? XD

Someone payed 500 for a bootleg of it : - P -> http://www.neogeoforlife.com/forum/v...thread_id=2167
CD version: low 195 high 300+ -> http://www.neo-geo.com/guides/cd/cdguide.html

[SKTTR]

Now that I've watched some Ironclad footage it seems to be very cool!
And with those high prices on ebay I'll download it on VC some day.

[Tull]

Originally Posted by SKTTR

Now that I've watched some Ironclad footage it seems to be very cool!
And with those high prices on ebay I'll download it on VC some day.

Its a nice virtual collectable :P

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by davyK

I emailed a complaint to Nintendo's support desk about this and got a response a few days ago. They told me that they have removed the "plays at 60Hz" message and say they can't comment on the quality of the product as that is down to the publisher (D4E games in this instance).

VC and WiiWare is non-refundable (in the terms and conds of using the online services) but they took my Wii serial number and said Nintendo Europe might do something about it.

Will be interesting to see what happens. It would be nice if they do something for me.

I'll also send a complaint to D4E if I can.

The messages are still there for Mega Drive Hanabi games, even though they also run in 60hz. It really does indicate that Nintendo hasn't a clue what's going up on its service.

[Tull]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

It really does indicate that Nintendo hasn't a clue what's going up on its service.

And that Sega is exploiting it

[davyK]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

The messages are still there for Mega Drive Hanabi games, even though they also run in 60hz. It really does indicate that Nintendo hasn't a clue what's going up on its service.

I got my points refunded by Nintendo Europe which strictly speaking they didn't have to do.

The information about each title is supplied by the publisher , not Nintendo. Still you would think some basic checks would be in place.