C64 bashing

[Ruffneck]

There seems to be alot of it , mostly by people who seem to think it is an inferior system.Lets be honest , most 80s games have aged poorly - i was a long time c64 user and i find myself very rarely going back beyond the years 1994-1995 for my gaming fix but here are the facts

1.The c64 has a vastly superior sound chip to the NES , and has the best sound chip of any 8-bit machine , it is also superior to many 16 bit machines like Atari ST.

2.The c64 was released in 1982 , PC games did not reach the technical levels of c64 games until at least 1987 (it took longer than this for the audio to become on par)

3.The c64 has graphics that are inferior to the NES , but by a reasonably small margin.See mayhem in monsterland , turrican 2 , creatures 2.

Finally i want to touch on this "c64 games are too expensive on vc" business.I agree , $5 is actually more than some of these games cost on budget release back when they came out BUT i would say that most vc games are overpriced.$8 for altered beast?.What about Nintendos own "Mario bros" - the arcade version , again it is $5.How many times have they rereleased that game now? it's not even that great a game.At least with these c64 games most have not been *****d out like that.

rant over

[hansolo350]

Originally Posted by Ruffneck

1.The c64 has a vastly superior sound chip to the NES , and has the best sound chip of any 8-bit machine , it is also superior to many 16 bit machines like Atari ST.

Just because it had a superior sound chip doesn't mean it had better music.

[Ruffneck]

Originally Posted by hansolo350

Just because it had a superior sound chip doesn't mean it had better music.

matter of opinion - and nostalgia for whatever system you played most - and your avatar shows you are clearly a nintendo fanboy

but if you ask me bionic commando c64 (european version) shat all over nes version tunewise
love that stage 1 samba tune

anyone seen guitar hero c64 version?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52gcC3Sn-Gw&feature=related
hot stuff!

[hansolo350]

Originally Posted by Ruffneck

matter of opinion - and nostalgia for whatever system you played most - and your avatar shows you are clearly a nintendo fanboy

but if you ask me bionic commando c64 (european version) shat all over nes version tunewise
love that stage 1 samba tune

anyone seen guitar hero c64 version?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52gcC3Sn-Gw&feature=related
hot stuff!

I'm not a "Nintendo fanboy", I'm a fan of Super Mario Bros. 3. Anyway, I was thinking about the great soundtracks from Mario, Mega Man, Castlevania, Zelda, Dragon Warrior, Final Fantasy, etc.

Edit: I think I need to make myself clear, I'm not bashing the C64.

[Ruffneck]

yeah , everyone knows those ones
even people who never had nintendo machines
but if you have never heard stuff like monty on the run , turrican main theme or ghouls n ghosts i don't see how you can be so quick to dismiss
it's like i said before , i just wish the NES fans had more knowledge about the system before slagging it off is all.

[hansolo350]

Originally Posted by Ruffneck

yeah , everyone knows those ones
even people who never had nintendo machines
but if you have never heard stuff like monty on the run , turrican main theme or ghouls n ghosts i don't see how you can be so quick to dismiss
it's like i said before , i just wish the NES fans had more knowledge about the system before slagging it off is all.

I have played quite a few of my older brother's C64 games plus the three C64 games I have on the VC, but I haven't really heard any songs to write home about.

[SKTTR]

Both machines had great artists writing music for them.

But Commodore died and Nintendo lives.
Apart from the C64 scene that still have their old machines running,
or emulating it on the PC, there's no spread of the word.
There was this 30-in-1 joystick... and now there's the Virtual Console.
That's not pretty much that keeps the C64 alive or helps spreading the word.

That's why many people don't know that the C64 had tons of games with exceptional soundtracks and pieces of music.
The Virtual Console doesn't help that situation, as Commodore Gaming is releasing many games that don't have music at all (Jumpman, Pitstop II, Nebulus, Impossible Mission etc.)

And when there's a game with great music (Last Ninja, Cybernoid) it always seems too hardcore for newcomers to enjoy. Add the fact that the 19 C64 games on the VC are just crumbs of the fat cake!

The C64 soundchip is much better than the NES soundchip, everyone knows that already, so no need to discuss it forever.

Discussions about C64 music always wets my appetite. I'll look up some good games music and post it here later.

Edit:

And here we are, listen to this:

GHOULS 'N' GHOSTS It's funny how the stage-1-music mocks the NES tune at one point and then starts to sound C64 again. (Here's PART 2)

TURRICAN One of my favourite C64 games. Not just because of the cool music. (I love the song at 1:42) The graphics were amazing in 1990 and still are great.

THE GREAT GIANA SISTERS I love the title track! The overworld tune was good too, but I couldn't find a full version without gameplay.

[Ruffneck]

yup , most of those vc c64 games have quite lame soundtracks.mayhem has a decent soundtrack especially on the happy levels.to be fair im sure most of the nes games on vc have poor soundtracks too like NES soccer , baseball , donkey kong etc...

i'll link you some good ones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpHG3imEB3Q - bionic commando
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usixk...eature=related - turbo outrun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVyoAVFTlGI - r-type theme

i can also tell you some of my favourite NES chiptunes - ducktales - moon and i like that new megaman 9 tornado theme - catchy but technically these are far superior which was my point originally.too many people think the machine is like an atari 2600 or some crap.these people should do more research.

[SKTTR]

Oh yeah! R-Type on the C64! The best soundtrack of all R-Type versions!

But you have only the title track on your link.
Here's my fav: The first stage music.

[Betagam7]

Ruffnec,

I take your point that the C64 often gets derisory remarks on sites like Nintendolife, mostly from non-Europeans but that's largely down to everyone being nostalgic about what they were used to and dismissive of what they're not.

I can't say I've noticed it being a major problem here on the VC-forums. We only generally have one silly fanboy a year on here and it certainly isn't HanSolo.

This is certainly a worthwhile discussion and I'm all for you educating people but try to be a little less abraisive with the regulars when you do it. There's no need to go leaping on people just because they have a Super Mario avatar on what is after all a predominently Nintendo themed forum.

Personally I just wish Commodore gaming could release more titles for VC as many of the ones released so far, while famous classics arn't the best examples of what the C64 can do and don't exactly help people see it at its best (Jumpman, anyone?)

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

I played some C64 with my buddies back in the day. If I'm being honest, it wasn't the games that looked good that I ended up liking.

[Tommy]

Calling him a Mario Fanboy for having a Mario Avatar was a bit silly...

*will try Last Ninja again soon*

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

I played some C64 with my buddies back in the day. If I'm being honest, it wasn't the games that looked good that I ended up liking.

Yeah, but these fancy dan's today with their 3D this and their Voodoo chip that, take one look at poor old Paradroid and sniff at it then download Super Generic 3D Anime Boob game 47 on Wiiware instead

[digiki]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Super Generic 3D Anime Boob game 47 on Wiiware instead

I was unaware that it's been released. Is it out in NA yet?

[Refa]

Originally Posted by digiki

I was unaware that it's been released. Is it out in NA yet?

It must have got recalled for being too super

I just like my (IMO more diverse) NES palette of games, but there's nothing wrong with the C64.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Refa

It must have got recalled for being too super

I just like my (IMO more diverse) NES palette of games, but there's nothing wrong with the C64.

There's certainly a lot more diversity on the NES than the C64 if we're talking about the Virtual Console releases (which, I presume, we are) but I'd argue that the C64, being a computer with a keyboard, allowed for alot more diversity than the NES did in terms of releases at the time.

Stuff like The Sentinel, The Train, Tau Ceti, the numerous text adventures, Head over Heels, Exile all had a unique ambience and feel to them that I don't think I've seen on the NES, which, although it has many stellar games, mostly fit into simple to define genres such as platformer, RPG etc and often have a similar 'feel'.

When I loaded up a C64 game I'd fished out of some bargain bin I never felt entirely sure what kind of game I was going to get.

That reminds me of a funny story. Woolworths in the UK, used to keep alot of C64 games in such a bargain bin and if the box was missing or destroyed they would sell you the game for 50p instead of £1.99. Often I would just take the cassette out of the box and throw the box back in the bin, quadrupeling my purchasing ability and amazingly the staff never caught on or perhaps just didn't care.
If you were one of those who searched that bin never being able to find the cassette for the game you wanted, 20 odd years later you have my apology, haha.

[pdRydia]

Originally Posted by digiki

I was unaware that it's been released. Is it out in NA yet?

No, and don't hold your breath because no NA publisher has picked it up. It's selling poorly, I hear. It's not living up to the legacy established by its predecessor, Super Generic 3D Anime Boob Game 46: The Double Ds.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by pdRydia

No, and don't hold your breath because no NA publisher has picked it up. It's selling poorly, I hear. It's not living up to the legacy established by its predecessor, Super Generic 3D Anime Boob Game 46: The Double Ds.

Of course back in the old days we didn't require anything "super" from our boob games, we were happy enough with something just being "decent"

[pdRydia]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Of course back in the old days we didn't require anything "super" from our boob games, we were happy enough with something just being "decent"

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Historic.

[slangman]

Well the C64 is a tad niche. Most of the games are quite innovative, but at the same time difficult to get into, because of their dated nature that mostly appeals to those with nostalgia. I wasn't too sure myself when the C64 libary first launched on VC, but after playing Last Ninja 2, I am actually more tempted to try out more C64 games.

I guess the C64 is kind of like Dr Pepper. Try it you, just might like it. :0

[Yossarian]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Of course back in the old days we didn't require anything "super" from our boob games, we were happy enough with something just being "decent"

If any of you saw Gameswipe on BBC4 (iplayer for the UK or youtube for everywhere else) you would have seen much worse games than that for dodgy content!

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Yossarian

If any of you saw Gameswipe on BBC4 (iplayer for the UK or youtube for everywhere else) you would have seen much worse games than that for dodgy content!

Dodgy? But it was perfectly decent!