C64 done on VC?

[Betagam7]

Its getting on for seven months since we had a new C64 release on Wii. Combined with the problems some C64 games have had (LN3 - still not fixed to my knowledge) do we think the C64 service is done or has it been suspended.
Commodore Gaming's website is still quoting the defunct VC-reviews website so it doesn't exactly scream alive and well.

[RetroNL]

They should ad the Amiga versions to it, it would be much brighter and more deeply in choices.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

They should ad the Amiga versions to it, it would be much brighter and more deeply in choices.

If you read your own thread "Captain Planet Commodore Amiga" you'd see that we've already explained why this isn't possible.
In any case I've emailed Commadore gaming to see what's happening. Considering how heavily it was plugged on the Nintendo channel in Europe, I'm a bit surprised as to the lack of updates.

[RetroNL]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

If you read your own thread "Captain Planet Commodore Amiga" you'd see that we've already explained why this isn't possible.
In any case I've emailed Commadore gaming to see what's happening. Considering how heavily it was plugged on the Nintendo channel in Europe, I'm a bit surprised as to the lack of updates.

I know, but still with some effort they could easily manage it. Money enough.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

I know, but still with some effort they could easily manage it. Money enough.

They can't manage it as the rights to those games are locked up in a legal minefield. It would take more than "some effort" to change that. Nintendo certainly isn't going to throw money at the problem just to get a few Amiga games onto a service that is already apparently suffering from lower sales than Wiiware.

Also, without wanting to be overly pedantic, If you want to continue this discussion can we keep the Amiga discussion in the Amiga thread from now on, this topic was created to discuss the C64's situation on VC.

[Joxe]

Been that long already? Considering how many games the C64 have at its disposal it's a real shame that the available games don't sell. I guess the C64 isn't that popular among the NES gamers out there :/

Hopefully this isn't the end for C64 games on the VC, I really think it's great with loads of games available for the generations that wasn't around back then and that "loads of games" should contain all the consoles. But in the end, money rules this, if the games don't sell there's no reason for the companies to release new ones, I don't think all the good games have been released yet but if titles like Last Ninja and IK+ doesn't sell I don't see why others would.

[SKTTR]

To support the C64 I will download more great C64 titles soon.

On my list are:

- Boulder Dash
I often play it at a friends house, and it's just great on his Plasma TV. The retro graphics look so clean. Definately something I want to beat on my own Wii.

- Paradroid
Downloaded it already. 9/10

- International Karate
- International Karate +

I would get both, but to save some money I'll start with IK+. I have this game on CDTV, but it's only 1 controller. This game lives from its multiplayer. It's too good to miss out on the Wii and I hadn't some exciting IK matches against my brothers and old friends for years. Should relive this soon.

- Impossible Mission
- Impossible Mission II.

I got Impossible Mission DS and beaten it twice thanks to the save option. I loved this game back in the day for it's atmosphere, animations, puzzles, exploration and voice speech. I liked the first one better, but the sequel wasn't bad either. I will revisit IM1 soon.

- The Last Ninja
- The Last Ninja 2
- The Last Ninja 3

This series is awesome! Some of the best graphics and soundtracks on the C64. Last Ninja 2 is the best one, but Last Ninja 1 is nearly just as great. Last Ninja 3 was generally reviewed as the worst in the series. I have beaten 1+2 back in the day (never got LN3) but when they fix the bug in Last Ninja 3, I'm downloading the whole LAST NINJA TRILOGY for the Wii.
But beware: This game is hard. I was only a kid with cheats and help from others to beat such a hardcore game.

- Uridium
Downloaded it already. 8/10

I have some respect for Jumpman, Pitstop II, Nebulus and Cybernoid as they were outstanding games for their time. Maybe I will download 1 or 2 of them if I'm in the mood.

Winter Games, Summer Games II, California Games and World Games were million sellers back in the day: retro casual titles if you will. I'm not into sports games collections but these games demonstrate some great visuals and multiplayer fun on the C64.

Last but not least we have Mayhem in Monsterland. The technical most advanced title that is very similiar to the latest platformers for the NES, is unfortunately very glitchy in its VC reincarnation. It's a good and challenging little platform game though.

But seriously, those 19 C64 games on the VC are nothing compared to the wide variety of genres and unique originals the original C64 has on offer.

C64 games often go trough a licensing hell, so it's like the games only cost 400 Wii Points, with the 100 Wii Points extra just to get that game released on the Wii.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by SKTTR

To support the C64 I will download more great C64 titles soon.

On my list are:

- Boulder Dash
I often play it at a friends house, and it's just great on his Plasma TV. The retro graphics look so clean. Definately something I want to beat on my own Wii.

I'll join you in downloading this one once I move to my new flat next month and get Wireless broadband back. I havn't downloaded any games in months now so I'm thinking of getting myself 3000 points to celebrate taking the Wii online again.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

If Nintendo really is considering scrapping the C64, I'd be up for pitching in with a few C64 game purchases too.

The only way I could think they could lose money on VC games like this is if they have to pay an up-front fee to the original publishers every time they put a game on the service. If they have to clear $100 or $500 or more with each game, I can definitely see it not being worth their while.

Otherwise, Nintendo should just quit fooling around, dump every C64 game that's available in EU onto NA's VC, and then pray for the long haul.

[kelvingreen]

Any update from Commodore Gaming yet? Things do seem to have gone a bit quiet, and there are plenty of great games still to come, so it would be a shame if it's all done and dusted.

[Mr. Cheez]

If this turns out to be true, and C64 support stops for the American VC too, I'll pitch in and buy some C64 games too. It would be horrible to have support dropped before we even get Mayhem in Monsterland, the Impossible Missions, and Paradroid!

[hansolo350]

When I get my next point card I'll definitelly get Boulder Dash and, if Final Fantasy doesn't get released, Last Ninja.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cheez

If this turns out to be true, and C64 support stops for the American VC too, I'll pitch in and buy some C64 games too. It would be horrible to have support dropped before we even get Mayhem in Monsterland, the Impossible Missions, and Paradroid!

I m sure you lot will get most, if not all of Europe's current C64 line up, just very very slowly (1 game every so often? Thats slow!)

[slangman]

It has been a while since PAL got a C64 release. However I doubt Commodore has given up on releasing more C64 games. They are probably concentrating more on releasing most of the C64 games that Europe has had for ages in NA and Europe will more likely get another C64 update as soon as NA gets most of the games that are yet to be released.

[hansolo350]

I think it is worth noting that I saw California Games climb up to 13th on the Canadian best selling list a week ago.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Maybe Commodore would like to focus on fixing all of their broken VC ports before they start releasing more games...

[Mr. Cheez]

Originally Posted by hansolo350

I think it is worth noting that I saw California Games climb up to 13th on the Canadian best selling list a week ago.

It's 18th now on the American charts. This proves there's NA people who do care about C64 games!

As some people have said, C64 games might have been put on hold in PAL so that NA VC has a chance to catch up. Though given the glacial pacing we've been getting the games at, you guys will be waiting a while.

[SKTTR]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cheez

It's 18th now on the American charts. This proves there's NA people who do care about C64 games!

As some people have said, C64 games might have been put on hold in PAL so that NA VC has a chance to catch up. Though given the glacial pacing we've been getting the games at, you guys will be waiting a while.

In many countries in Europe Boulder Dash ocassionally makes an appearance in the lower quarter of the VC charts, fighting with Nintendo titles such as Pokémon Snap and Yoshi's Story. Winter Games was in the Top 20 for almost 5 months, suggesting it was the most successful C64 game.

When I talked with Commodore Gaming, they confirmed that Boulder Dash and the Epyx sports games were the more successful C64 titles on the VC.

[Rhymetyme91]

I'm downloading Last Ninja this Saturday. No console left behind! I would love to see Jumpman and Mayhem in Monsterland make it to NA...

[brooks83]

Next batch of Wii points I get I will probably download California Games. I already downloaded The Last Ninja and Pitstop II. And everyone is right about the difficulty of The Last Ninja. If you die 3 times that's it, game over.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by kelvingreen

Any update from Commodore Gaming yet? Things do seem to have gone a bit quiet, and there are plenty of great games still to come, so it would be a shame if it's all done and dusted.

I've had no reply to the email I sent them. It doesn't seem like they are ever going to fix Last Ninja 3 let alone release more games.

[SKTTR]

No reply in months here too.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by SKTTR

No reply in months here too.

It's looking grim.

[Tides of Chaos]

Some good news is that California Games is around #17 in the "Most Popular" section of the VC Shop Channel. At the very least, Commodore can't say that their games aren't being well received/there's no sales for their games.

[Rhymetyme91]

Originally Posted by Tides of Chaos

Some good news is that California Games is around #17 in the "Most Popular" section of the VC Shop Channel. At the very least, Commodore can't say that their games aren't being well received/there's no sales for their games.

Exactly. I think if we give it a little while longer, let the the C64 games sell some more...well see them back on the market. Hopefully at a faster rate...

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by hansolo350

I think it is worth noting that I saw California Games climb up to 13th on the Canadian best selling list a week ago.

Yeah, it got pretty high up on the U.S, list, too. In fact, I think it's still on there.

[Yey456726]

wait do u mean http://www.c64s.com

[Betagam7]

This is a thread about the C64 on virtual console, were not discussing some website that let's you play Roms.
In fact posting links to such a site may get you in trouble with the mods.

Meanwhile back on topic I just downloaded Boulderdash, my VC C64 collection now reads:

Boulderdash
Cybernoid (urgh)
The Last Ninja
Mayhem in Monsterland
Uridium
Paradroid
Impossible Mission

I'd like to do more to support it but the only games left for me to download are sequels to games I havn't finished, waggle-fest sports games or a few duffers. Where's Wizball already?

[Refa]

That blows. Even if certain consumers aren't interested in it, C64 games should still be pouring out on VC. It makes me sad when Nintendo doesn't support a VC supported console.

PS Amiga needs to be on VC, idealistically speaking. I want the original Turrican games!

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Refa

That blows. Even if certain consumers aren't interested in it, C64 games should still be pouring out on VC. It makes me sad when Nintendo doesn't support a VC supported console.

PS Amiga needs to be on VC, idealistically speaking. I want the original Turrican games!

The C64 turrican games were the originals if I remember correctly, but yes the AMiga ones would be nice too, although I think some of the VC games borrow levels from Turrican 3.

Also a pity we never got this http://www.unseen64.net/2009/04/08/t...n64-prototype/

[Sharecrow]

I am somewhat ashamed to say I still haven't downloaded a C64 game yet. I'm interested in a few though....Boulderdash, Last Ninja, and Mission Impossible to name a few.

[Kiwi the Tortoise]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

The C64 turrican games were the originals if I remember correctly, but yes the AMiga ones would be nice too, although I think some of the VC games borrow levels from Turrican 3.

Also a pity we never got this http://www.unseen64.net/2009/04/08/t...n64-prototype/

The C64 version Turrican 1 was the original & later ported to other platforms (e.g. Amiga).
Turrican 2 was different on C64 and Amiga. The C64-Version used pretty much all the power the computer had to offer. I still like the great Amiga Version of T2 more though.
Turrican 3 was released on Amiga & the Genesis Mega Turrican is pretty much the same game.
Super Turrican on SNES recycles a lot of level designs, bosses, soundtracks etc. from T1 and T2.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Sharecrow

I am somewhat ashamed to say I still haven't downloaded a C64 game yet. I'm interested in a few though....Boulderdash, Last Ninja, and Mission Impossible to name a few.

Boulder Dash seems like a great action-puzzler so far as I can establish from my hours play last night.

Last Ninja needs patience to get past the initial frustration while IM ate up hours of my childhood although maybe for that reason its my least played VC C64 download.

[SKTTR]

Originally Posted by Sharecrow

I am somewhat ashamed to say I still haven't downloaded a C64 game yet. I'm interested in a few though....Boulderdash, Last Ninja, and Mission Impossible to name a few.

Boulder Dash and Impossible Mission are pretty good games. Challenging and puzzling at times, but fun and fair.

The Last Ninja is hardcore though. You'll need patience, practise, and most likely a guide to beat this one.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by SKTTR

Boulder Dash and Impossible Mission are pretty good games. Challenging and puzzling at times, but fun and fair.

The Last Ninja is hardcore though. You'll need patience, practise, and most likely a guide to beat this one.

I was making my own guide not long ago as those jumps are so precision but after getting all the way through the game I realised I hadn't picked up an item I needed in level 2 or something so had to start again!

I've yet to summon up the will to try.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by Kiwi the Tortoise

The C64 version Turrican 1 was the original & later ported to other platforms (e.g. Amiga).
Turrican 2 was different on C64 and Amiga. The C64-Version used pretty much all the power the computer had to offer. I still like the great Amiga Version of T2 more though.
Turrican 3 was released on Amiga & the Genesis Mega Turrican is pretty much the same game.
Super Turrican on SNES recycles a lot of level designs, bosses, soundtracks etc. from T1 and T2.

Not to mention Turrican II was remade as Universal Soldier for the MD/GEN.

Yeah, I don't have any C64 games, to be honest with you. There are some that I'm interested in, but they haven't come out yet.(Jumpman, Mayhem in Monsterland)

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

Not to mention Turrican II was remade as Universal Soldier for the MD/GEN.

Yeah, I don't have any C64 games, to be honest with you. There are some that I'm interested in, but they haven't come out yet.(Jumpman, Mayhem in Monsterland)

Except Universal Soldier is universally considered a piece de ****, since they ****ed with it (e.g poor programming).

[Kiwi the Tortoise]

Originally Posted by Refa

Except Universal Soldier is universally considered a piece de ****, since they ****ed with it (e.g poor programming).

Which proves my theory that adding Van Damme's face to something automaticly makes things worse and that movie licences can corrupt even the best games

[Afrancio]

Spindizzy was rated by the PEGI so maybe that's a sign more C64 game are on the way.(I hope)

[SKTTR]

Wow Spindizzy. Cruel!
One classic Marble Madness game.