When Chrono Trigger comes out

[pdRydia]

Originally Posted by Kurachi

games get old, and not just retro, but also in minds, people wont keep buying the same games
its the same as VC, most people wont re-buy them if there will be a new nintendo console with VC and same games, and those who do, also wont keep doing that

alot of ports is ok, but alot of ports of the same games isnt ok, not when they bought the exact same game twice already

News flash: a new gamer is born every minute, goes out and buys retro games despite interbutz arguments about whether or not a game has gotten too old to interest anyone.

[Kurachi]

Originally Posted by pdRydia

News flash: a new gamer is born every minute, goes out and buys retro games despite interbutz arguments about whether or not a game has gotten too old to interest anyone.

yea, but mostly they want new games, so new CT would be better for everyone
and not every new gamer is like that, most ask friends whats good, or read magazines or sites

i dont get it how badly you people wanna let me think its 100% sure that CT wont get to VC, none of us know this

i hope they will release it, then maybe some can see my points.. or get angry that i was right and try to ignore me

we dont know for 100%, so it has a chance, thats my point

we cant say what they do or have to do, thats what they decide

i guess trying to let people see my point is useless, lets see what they do now....

[Mr. Cheez]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

It's not coming any time soon, that's for sure. But I wouldn't write it off entirely. It's very possible that they'll wait for a couple years and then toss it on there when the DS port isn't making as much money anymore. It still doesn't seem likely to me, but it's possible. The more markets they get it into, the more profit potential, right? As long as they don't step on their own toes. Folks looking for it to come out soon are in for major disappointment or a big-time patience workout, though.

That's a good point, but I'd assume that, once sales of the DS version start to drop, they'd just remake/port it to PSP or something.

I'd say people waiting for Chrono to come to VC should just suck it up and get the DS version. Sure it would be nice to buy it at $8, but Chrono Trigger is one of the greatest RPGs of all time, so it's still a steal at $30.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Kurachi

alot of ports is ok, but alot of ports of the same games isnt ok, not when they bought the exact same game twice already

Have you seen how many Final Fantasy I ports there are?

[Kurachi]

Originally Posted by Refa

Have you seen how many Final Fantasy I ports there are?

so you think they will make more ports just cuz FFI has alot of em?
if you say that, it sounds like nintendo wont make any new games in the future, but only ports
also, its not like everyone who owns FFI will buy all the ports, would be insane, or just being bored and having too much of money

[hansolo350]

Originally Posted by Refa

Have you seen how many Final Fantasy I ports there are?

And guess what; Final Fantasy is coming to the VC. Seriously stop beating a dead horse.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cheez

That's a good point, but I'd assume that, once sales of the DS version start to drop, they'd just remake/port it to PSP or something.

Then maybe they'll remake it for N64. By the time sales of the DS one dry up, PSP will be an old system. It's a side-by-side direct competitor for the DS. I have a hard time seeing it as a next-gen port/remake from a DS version.

Originally Posted by Mr. Cheez

I'd say people waiting for Chrono to come to VC should just suck it up and get the DS version. Sure it would be nice to buy it at $8, but Chrono Trigger is one of the greatest RPGs of all time, so it's still a steal at $30.

Believe it or not, a lot of people who want the VC version don't have a DS. A lot of people who do have a DS would rather play Chrono Trigger on their big TVs at home. It's not unreasonable to want it to come to the VC. It is unreasonable to expect it to come to the VC with any immediacy (or to expect that it's in Nintendo's hands rather than Square Enix's... ).

Originally Posted by hansolo350

And guess what; Final Fantasy is coming to the VC. Seriously stop beating a dead horse.

Refa's just learning how to follow an argument, so go easy on her. In fact, I don't think she was even following the argument, but just making a general comment in response to a comment that was linked to someone else's incomprehensible argument.

[Kurachi]

oversaw the point that FFI is coming to VC, lol
and i never said i expect it to come to VC, i just said there's a chance
then i said that square enix isnt the only one, didnt say that its nintendo only
dont know which replies were to me or not, but these are some of my points

- there's a chance it'll get to VC
- nintendo AND square enix are the ones who have to do it, not just 1 of em
- and FFI gets to VC, but that was an example, maybe wrong, but still 1

what i did NOT say:

- its all about nintendo
- it will get to VC, 100% sure
- nintendo and square enix wont make any more ports of it to put on VC

hope this made it some more clear to some people

[Refa]

Originally Posted by hansolo350

And guess what; Final Fantasy is coming to the VC. Seriously stop beating a dead horse.

Kurachi said a lot of ports of the same game isn't OK. There are a lot of ports of Final Fantasy. It's the same game. People buy it. I'm not talking about VC, I'm replying to what Kurachi said about numerous ports of the same game.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by Refa

Kurachi said a lot of ports of the same game isn't OK. There are a lot of ports of Final Fantasy. It's the same game. People buy it. I'm not talking about VC, I'm replying to what Kurachi said about numerous ports of the same game.

Eh, not really - they've been tweaking the game little by little in each new remake - now they're pretty different gameplay-wise to the original Final Fantasy 1, IMO.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

Eh, not really - they've been tweaking the game little by little in each new remake - now they're pretty different gameplay-wise to the original Final Fantasy 1, IMO.

Well, yeah, but the remakes are all identical IMO.

[hansolo350]

Originally Posted by Refa

Well, yeah, but the remakes are all identical IMO.

But they are not the same. I don't really see how this is a matter of opinion, it's a fact.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by Refa

Well, yeah, but the remakes are all identical IMO.

Well, similar, but not identical. The remakes have improved graphics, remixed music, additional stages, additional items, MP(the original NES version had stocked magic, similar to PP in pokemon). Those are some pretty big changes that any fan would notice. Yeah, it's not a completely different game, but it is a remake, after all.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Refa

Well, yeah, but the remakes are all identical IMO.

You're objectively incorrect. Have you played the remakes?

The only thing I can really say about Square's milking of FF1 is that they've timed the remakes correctly. Rather than just dumping a new remake onto each platform each year (no one would buy them), they have made slight improvements to each new remake, to the point that you'd have to be crazy to get the PS1 version now if you had access to the GBA or PSP versions. If the trend continues and they continue to bother remaking FF1, I imagine the next versions will replace the GBA and PSP remakes in a similar way.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

You're objectively incorrect. Have you played the remakes?

The only thing I can really say about Square's milking of FF1 is that they've timed the remakes correctly. Rather than just dumping a new remake onto each platform each year (no one would buy them), they have made slight improvements to each new remake, to the point that you'd have to be crazy to get the PS1 version now if you had access to the GBA or PSP versions. If the trend continues and they continue to bother remaking FF1, I imagine the next versions will replace the GBA and PSP remakes in a similar way.

I mean gameplay wise. They don't use charges, they use the wierd spell naming system, etc. They all add new content, but most of the original content seems the same. I've only played the GBA and PSP versions, and that's what I got from it.

[Mr. Cheez]

Originally Posted by Refa

I mean gameplay wise. They don't use charges, they use the wierd spell naming system, etc. They all add new content, but most of the original content seems the same.

Kinda like practically every remake ever made?

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cheez

Kinda like practically every remake ever made?

You obviously haven't played Metroid Zero Mission.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by Refa

You obviously haven't played Metroid Zero Mission.

? What are you talking about? They updated the graphics, remixed the music, updated controls, and added some new levels and items near the end, but the old stuff is pretty much intact(which is pretty good, because I memorized Zero Mission's map, which made playing the original Metroid A LOT easier). Yeah, they added a lot more than your average remake, but that doesn't mean they they really did anything to change the actual game. It's an update. Nothing more. Same with all of Square-Enix's remakes.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

? What are you talking about? They updated the graphics, remixed the music, updated controls, and added some new levels and items near the end, but the old stuff is pretty much intact(which is pretty good, because I memorized Zero Mission's map, which made playing the original Metroid A LOT easier). Yeah, they added a lot more than your average remake, but that doesn't mean they they really did anything to change the actual game. It's an update. Nothing more. Same with all of Square-Enix's remakes.

Really? I was sure that they'd change the layout.

[hansolo350]

Originally Posted by Refa

Really? I was sure that they'd change the layout.

No it's the same map. The only minor differences are slightly higher ledges, but these were only changed because you have new abilities.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Refa

Really? I was sure that they'd change the layout.

Wait, wait... so you threw down the gauntlet on a comparison between games you've never played...?

[Mr. Cheez]

Originally Posted by Refa

Really? I was sure that they'd change the layout.

Not really. They added a few tweaks here and there, and extended Tourian beyond the escape tunnel, but it was still pretty much the same layout of the original game.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

Wait, wait... so you threw down the gauntlet on a comparison between games you've never played...?

I've beat Zero Mission, and I got like halfway through the NES Metroid (and quit...because it's too hard for me). I didn't memorize the exact layout of the map. It seemed different to me.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by Refa

It seemed different to me.

Well, it probably just looked different, due to the revamped graphics in the remake. Trust me, it was still pretty much the same layout between both versions.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

Well, it probably just looked different, due to the revamped graphics in the remake. Trust me, it was still pretty much the same layout between both versions.

I see.

PS A remake that's different from the original. Super Castlevania IV and (not sure about this one) Castlevania Chronicles.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Refa

I see.

PS A remake that's different from the original. Super Castlevania IV and (not sure about this one) Castlevania Chronicles.

If you're not sure about it, then why are you using it as an example?

[digiki]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

they have made slight improvements to each new remake, to the point that you'd have to be crazy to get the PS1 version now if you had access to the GBA or PSP versions. If the trend continues and they continue to bother remaking FF1, I imagine the next versions will replace the GBA and PSP remakes in a similar way.

Isn't the PS version just the NES version but with the broken stuff fixed, and a new presentation? Meaning it plays quite differently than the handheld remakes, as the original did.

And I thought you loved FFI on the NES?

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by digiki

Isn't the PS version just the NES version but with the broken stuff fixed, and a new presentation? Meaning it plays quite differently than the handheld remakes, as the original did.

And I thought you loved FFI on the NES?

I do. Don't forget that they also added painfully long loading times to almost every part of FF1. Actually, FF1 didn't get hit as hard as FF2 did, but hey. I prefer the original NES FF1 to the PS1 remake.

This is my point, though. If you want the original, you're best off just getting the original (the NES version still isn't that expensive and it's coming to the VC anyway). If you want a more modern remake, then the GBA/PSP versions are the way to go. The PS1 version doesn't serve much purpose other than for collectors or PS1 fans or I guess folks who don't have means to play another version.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by Refa

A remake that's different from the original. Super Castlevania IV and (not sure about this one) Castlevania Chronicles.

Castlevania Chronicles was a remake of another Castlevania game. In fact, the other version is included on the disc, and from what I saw, they didn't change much at all.

And if I recall correctly, Super Castlevania 4 was never supposed to be a direct remake, anyways - it has the same premise as the first Castlevania, but that's about it.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Chronicles is a remake of a "reinterpretation" of / homage to the original Castlevania. Super Castlevania IV is again a reinterpretation of the original. They're not remakes.