Your list of overrated and underrated N64 titles.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Out of interest, did you play them for the first time at their time of release or more recently?

Played some Ocarina when it first came out but didn't finish it. Went back to it later a few years ago but still didn't finish it. As I said in an earlier part of my post that you snipped out, the problem wasn't that early 3D looks ****ty now, it's that early 3D looked ****ty then. (Actually, as I think I clarified, it wasn't just the look of the graphics, it was the implementation of the perspective shift itself.) But that's OK, it's just what works and what doesn't work for what gamers.

Ocarina is a good game. But it's not the be all and end all of 3D action-adventure games, which is why I list it as "overrated" and not as "tripe".

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

Played some Ocarina when it first came out but didn't finish it. Went back to it later a few years ago but still didn't finish it. As I said in an earlier part of my post that you snipped out, the problem wasn't that early 3D looks ****ty now, it's that early 3D looked ****ty then. (Actually, as I think I clarified, it wasn't just the look of the graphics, it was the implementation of the perspective shift itself.) But that's OK, it's just what works and what doesn't work for what gamers.

I don't doubt that, I can remember simply being blown away by the graphics of SM64 and Ocarina when I first saw them and didn't feel in the slightest that they looked poor.
Now of course the former does look a bit ropey to me while I havn't played the latter recently enough to comment.
The biggest problem back then was the cameras for me, although I think both games were at the top end of things camera-wise compared to some of the other offerings at the time. The C-buttons really helped and were unrivalled before Sony went analogue.

[TWKiller]

Underrated:
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Goemon's Great Adventure
Body Harvest

All great games that I really wish would come to DLC. It's a damn shame that alot of people haven't heard of these games.

[RetroNL]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

Played some Ocarina when it first came out but didn't finish it. Went back to it later a few years ago but still didn't finish it. As I said in an earlier part of my post that you snipped out, the problem wasn't that early 3D looks ****ty now, it's that early 3D looked ****ty then. (Actually, as I think I clarified, it wasn't just the look of the graphics, it was the implementation of the perspective shift itself.) But that's OK, it's just what works and what doesn't work for what gamers.

Before you think I am going to trash another thread or being not nice etc.. I have to say this (dont take it too offensive): I dont get it what the point is by mentioning that the N64 had bad graphics for its time, as in in-game colour textures it was even stronger than a PS1 and didnt make use of a very slow cpu the PS1 suffered a lot from especially when loading a new room/level/world or trailer (what was the only flaw or even maybe positive thing of the N64 because it didnt use trailers generally)

I can understand that you didnt like it because of the genre of the games, but technical references have nothing to do with that.
Like Betagam said, I also was very impressed with the in- game graphics when games such as Zelda OOT, BK and so on where released and yeah I also had a PS1 with great graphical games back then like Gran Turismo. Still the PS and Nintendo where very different from each other in game genres but just because you dont like the genre of the N64 games mainly doesnt mean you have to lower it on other aspects.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

Before you think I am going to trash another thread or being not nice etc.. I have to say this (dont take it too offensive): I dont get it what the point is by mentioning that the N64 had bad graphics for its time, as in in-game colour textures it was even stronger than a PS1 and didnt make use of a very slow cpu the PS1 suffered a lot from especially when loading a new room/level/world or trailer (what was the only flaw or even maybe positive thing of the N64 because it didnt use trailers generally)

I can understand that you didnt like it because of the genre of the games, but technical references have nothing to do with that.
Like Betagam said, I also was very impressed with the in- game graphics when games such as Zelda OOT, BK and so on where released and yeah I also had a PS1 with great graphical games back then like Gran Turismo. Still the PS and Nintendo where very different from each other in game genres but just because you dont like the genre of the N64 games mainly doesnt mean you have to lower it on other aspects.

He only mentioned the graphical faults to prove that Ocarina of Time was overrated. Plus, he didn't say those faults were limited to the N64, just early 3D games in general.

[RetroNL]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

He only mentioned the graphical faults to prove that Ocarina of Time was overrated. Plus, he didn't say those faults were limited to the N64, just early 3D games in general.

Still I dont understand because early 2d games looked also very bad in its early days and he doesnt mention many of those being bad, does he ? .

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

Still I dont understand because early 2d games looked also very bad in its early days and he doesnt mention many of those being bad, does he ? .

Why should he? We're all talking about early 3D games. Might as well stick to the topic.

And for the record, early 2D games did look pretty ****ty, IMO, but they can get off, since back then there wasn't anything like them. Early 3D games, on the otherhand, looked pretty crappy compared to the 2D games available at the time.

[RetroNL]

Originally Posted by Mickeymac

Why should he? We're all talking about early 3D games. Might as well stick to the topic.

And for the record, early 2D games did look pretty ****ty, IMO, but they can get off, since back then there wasn't anything like them. Early 3D games, on the otherhand, looked pretty crappy compared to the 2D games available at the time.

But still you didnt know how better 3d games looked like then so there wasnt anything like them either .
As I was saying, even when the 2d looked a bit better it still was an opening to a new world in 3d and it looked more impressive than a good looking 2d game (to me).

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

But still you didnt know how better 3d games looked like then so there wasnt anything like them either .
As I was saying, even when the 2d looked a bit better it still was an opening to a new world in 3d and it looked more impressive than a good looking 2d game (to me).

It's all down to tastes, I guess. IMO, early 3D was cool because it was new, but even that newness didn't distract from the fact that it didn't look good.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Mick is right on all counts. I didn't mention early 2D games because this is a thread for discussing overrated and underrated N64, and as far as I know, there were no N64 games in 1980 to over or underrate. And if I were to try to use early 2D games to support my point that Ocarina of Time is an overrated N64 game, I would be an idiot.

Mick is also right that I think early 3D action platformers look terrible on PS1 as well. This isn't a competition between Sony and Nintendo, and only a fanboy would even think to make it one. I think the first Crash Bandicoot game is overrated, too. I think Final Fantasy 7 is overrated, too!

[RetroNL]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

Mick is right on all counts. I didn't mention early 2D games because this is a thread for discussing overrated and underrated N64, and as far as I know, there were no N64 games in 1980 to over or underrate. And if I were to try to use early 2D games to support my point that Ocarina of Time is an overrated N64 game, I would be an idiot.

Mick is also right that I think early 3D action platformers look terrible on PS1 as well. This isn't a competition between Sony and Nintendo, and only a fanboy would even think to make it one. I think the first Crash Bandicoot game is overrated, too. I think Final Fantasy 7 is overrated, too!

I mentioned the less good 2D games statement, because you sometimes come with aspects on games that arent always true. (and even I am not always right, but thats not the point right now)

If it was your opinion I wouldnt mind the fact that you didnt like them (early 3d games), but you sound like the games where overrated by in- game statements that arent always 100 % true or even relevant when the game was released or even right now.

Mostly when I read about early or mediocre 2D games that also had flaws I almost see no bad facts around from you at all and only mention the good parts of the game, while those early 3D ones also had those. Its easy to talk about the good parts of a game only when you like them very much but its also very simple to talk about the bad parts of a game youdont like.

But enough about this, I made my point about it and am not arguing further, because it would ruin the thread again.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by RetroNL

I mentioned the less good 2D games statement, because you sometimes come with aspects on games that arent always true. (and even I am not always right, but thats not the point right now)

Originally Posted by RetroNL

If it was your opinion I wouldnt mind the fact that you didnt like them (early 3d games), but you sound like the games where overrated by in- game statements that arent always 100 % true or even relevant when the game was released or even right now.

Actually, what might seem foreign to you here is that I was justifying my opinion. Betagam7 asked me to provide reasons and context behind why I thought the game was overrated, and I did so.

Originally Posted by RetroNL

Mostly when I read about early or mediocre 2D games that also had flaws I almost see no bad facts around from you at all and only mention the good parts of the game, while those early 3D ones also had those.

I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about here, since this is a thread to talk about overrated or underrated N64 games. I'm quite sure I wouldn't have made the mistake of bringing up early 2D games here.

Originally Posted by RetroNL

Its easy to talk about the good parts of a game only when you like them very much but its also very simple to talk about the bad parts of a game youdont like.

It's not only simple, but required to talk about the reasons you don't like a game you don't like (i.e. "the bad parts"), especially in a thread about what games you think are overrated, especially when someone asks you to explicitly state the reasons you don't like a game you don't like (i.e. "the bad parts"). So yeah, obviously I mentioned the parts of the game I didn't like.

PS: You must have missed the part where I repeatedly stated that Ocarina isn't a bad game and I like it just fine.

[Kingbuilder]

F-Zero X is underrated if you ask me.

Ocarina of Time is terribly overrated. It's sad how overrated that game is.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Kingbuilder

F-Zero X is underrated if you ask me.

Ocarina of Time is terribly overrated. It's sad how overrated that game is.

It sure does seem to have become a popular thing to bash OOT these days, to the point where I'm not sure anyone can say its overrated anymore as most forum users seem to be down on it.

Personally I've never found it dissapointing...I'll get around to tacking the Master Quest eventually but I'll be interested to see how its held up as I loved it at the time and still enjoyed it when the GC version came out.

[SKTTR]

Rareware had some great games on the N64
but everyone only talks about

GoldenEye 'n' Perfect Dark,
Banjo-Kazooie 'n' Banjo-Tooie,
Diddy Kong Racing 'n' Donkey Kong 64.

Even Conker's Bad Fur Day and Killer Instinct Gold get some recognition,

and yo, they deserve it....



But the two games that kicked serious ass were

BLAST CORPS
and
JET FORCE GEMINI

The most underrated N64-Rareware games.

Damn bloody underrated!

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

It sure does seem to have become a popular thing to bash OOT these days, to the point where I'm not sure anyone can say its overrated anymore as most forum users seem to be down on it.

I don't see anyone bashing OoT.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

I don't see anyone bashing OoT.

Not even Poison? While he seems to really dislike the game I have seen some other people, not just on this forum, commenting that it hasn't aged well at all, or even that it was never that good in the first place.

It's natural in a way though, when people are repeadedly told that something is the most awesome thing of all time in a particular genre then it does become easier for some people to dislike it when and play on its flaws. I havn't played it in a long time so can't think offhand what those flaws might be but I suspect the same ones that I can now see clear as day in SM64 despite thinking at the time that the game was the most amazing thing ever.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Not even Poison? While he seems to really dislike the game I have seen some other people, not just on this forum, commenting that it hasn't aged well at all, or even that it was never that good in the first place.

*looks around*

Not a single post from Poison in this thread. Poor Kingbuilder takin' heat for some other chump.

I think VC-F may be in a kind of minority as a "thinkin' gamer's" home on the web. Most places I see "best game of all time!!!" polls or comments, it's either Ocarina or FF7 that undeservedly top the lists.

Hmm...

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

*looks around*

Not a single post from Poison in this thread. Poor Kingbuilder takin' heat for some other chump.

Oh...I see. I wasn't actually talking about this specific thread just general comments I've seen from him, most probably in the chatbox where he lives

[theUndead_feature]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

I don't see anyone bashing OoT.

OoT sucks.

There.

[PoisonRamune]

Well, in the game and my defense... I was simply stating why I hated it at the time because I had attempted to run through it for a fest thing. I can't tell you how the game aged, as I've only played it briefly at my friend, Mike's house back in high school... And at that time I wasn't in the best of mindsets to be into any games.

However, I will say as it stands it's not a very good Zelda game. However, I'm sure if I kept at it, I'd find it to be much like Phantom Hourglass (a bad Zelda game, but pretty ok action-adventure game). But honestly, good games shouldn't be like that where I have to filter out the gristle.

[Refa]

Underrated Mega Man 64

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by Refa

Underrated Mega Man 64

Agreed. Loved that game, not enough people know about/talk about it.

[sulcalen]

Well...this forum is dead but a have some opinions in here.

Underrated
Ogre battle (more than under is unknown)
extreme G
Blastcorps
Paper Mario (the quality of the game should give it more)
Mace

Overated
Maybe perfect dark...i did not enjoy it much.

[Kreegs]

Underrated

Toy Story 2

[Refa]

Originally Posted by sulcalen

Well...this forum is dead but a have some opinions in here.

Underrated
Ogre battle (more than under is unknown)
extreme G
Blastcorps
Paper Mario (the quality of the game should give it more)
Mace

Overated
Maybe perfect dark...i did not enjoy it much.

You mean this thread? Because I don't think the forum is dead quite yet.

[sulcalen]

Originally Posted by Refa

You mean this thread? Because I don't think the forum is dead quite yet.

Sorry ..language mistake...thread and not forum.

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by Kreegs

Underrated

Toy Story 2

Agreed, I played it on the PC but I think they're the same game. Very good game lots of secrets and collectables too to get.

[sulcalen]

extreme g is a good racing game even today because music and track design...it would be a good addition to VC..but who will bring it

[Refa]

Maybe X-Seed; they did rerelease The Red Star, which I believe was a prior Acclaim license.

[SlurmNator]

Conkers Bad Fur Day was Underrated.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by SlurmNator

Conkers Bad Fur Day was Underrated.

No, everyone knows about it.

[SlurmNator]

Originally Posted by Refa

No, everyone knows about it.

When it first came out it was very underrated now adays is know by everyone

[Refa]

Originally Posted by SlurmNator

When it first came out it was very underrated now adays is know by everyone

Same with Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy III, but those games aren't considered underrated.

[SlurmNator]

Originally Posted by Refa

Same with Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy III, but those games aren't considered underrated.

They re-released the game on Xbox many years later because it was so underrated.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by SlurmNator

They re-released the game on Xbox many years later because it was so underrated.

What makes you say that?

[SlurmNator]

Originally Posted by Refa

What makes you say that?

Alot of my friends told me and i read it in afew places too I maybe wrong though i don't know much about N64

[Kreegs]

Originally Posted by SlurmNator

Alot of my friends told me and i read it in afew places too I maybe wrong though i don't know much about N64

.....................?

[SlurmNator]

Oh well then Conker's isn't underrated.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by SlurmNator

Oh well then Conker's isn't underrated.

It isn't. Trust me. It's actually one of the more popular N64 games.