Goldeneye or Perfect Dark

[kawaiipikachu]

Theres a simaluar thread on Nintendo Lie Forums where eveyone mentions the perfered titles of the 2 & many of them perfered Goldeneye for some reason .
Anyway im posting this thread here wondering wether its different here or not .
Anyway me myself perfered Perfect Dark .

As a bonus im going to add a poll here as you all love polls

[Ouenben]

There needs to be a 3rd option on the poll 'what the hell is a perferd game?'

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by Ouenben

There needs to be a 3rd option on the poll 'what the hell is a perferd game?'

You know its a typo of prefered so what the complaint ?

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

As a bonus im going to add a poll here as you all love polls

Possibly when there are girls spinning around on them...otherwise, not so much.

What the hell...at least this topic isn't completely irrelevent so I'll answer with Goldeneye. Far and away the better game due it having no stupid comedy alien sidekick, no stupid alien last level and it not having a jerky almost unplayable Hi-res mode (despite both games having awful frame rates). The lack of abysmal voice acting and general famiarity of the Bond theme to the hackneyed plot made up by the sub-sixth form poetry writers at Rare also made it superior.

Plus the level of unfinished stuff that was left in Goldeneye made it so much fun.

[Kurachi]

Perfect Dark for me, since i played goldeneye on N64 and after that i saw something called perfect dark, which might be an advanced goldeneye, so bought it, and they were right, so i liked that one more

what i mostly did was playing that VS mode, just to shoot people, or simulants, and sometimes the simulants in my team and me playing around with guns and shoot their heads off

so its PD for me

wish they could release it on the VC, maybe they change their mind, that rare, doubt it, but who knows
in this world almost anything could happen... maybe except for this


ps. i do play it on emulator sometimes, and its legal, since i own an original copy of the game

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by Kurachi

so its PD for me

wish they could release it on the VC, maybe they change their mind, that rare, doubt it, but who knows
in this world almost anything could happen... maybe except for this

It's upto Microsoft I believe who probably aren't willing to co-operate given an XBLA remake of Perfect dark is currently in development.

Apparently we'd have goldeneye on VC already but Nintendo didn't want it on XBLA too or something so nothing was able to come of this gem.

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

You know its a typo of prefered so what the complaint ?

I assume you mean 'why'

you spelt it that way every time in the first post, was it really that hard to change these typos/misspellings to preferred?

[LinkFanatic]

I'm a big Bond fan, so Goldeneye was my obvious choice, just for the property itself

[slangman]

I am a Goldeneye 007 person. Both are excellent games, but I prefer Goldeneye for it's weapon selection & level design. Sometimes I wonder if Perfect Dark did a bit too much at times.

[theUndead_feature]

I don't understand the following behind either game. The World is Not Enough was far better than either Goldeneye or Perfect Dark.

[Kiwi the Tortoise]

Originally Posted by theUndead_feature

I don't understand the following behind either game. The World is Not Enough was far better than either Goldeneye or Perfect Dark.

I couldn't agree more.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by theUndead_feature

I don't understand the following behind either game. The World is Not Enough was far better than either Goldeneye or Perfect Dark.

What's not to understand? Just because you feel another game does it better doesn't make it difficult to work out why the Rare games have the following and nostalgia factor that they do.

The following obviously comes from the fact that both were groundbreakingly good games at the time of release and sold extremely well, with Goldeneye in particular attaining a huge following due to its seminal role in making people believe that FPS's could work effectively on consoles while Perfect Dark also has the attraction of being the follow up to such a well liked game and being made by the same well loved N64 developer.

Sure The World is Not Enough may be a good game too (I can't really say as I've never played it) but it came out two years later and so obviously seemed less original in a market that had become crowded. As such it wasn't played by as many people and so won't be as well remembered or as well followed as Goldeneye and its sequel.

[theUndead_feature]

But that's just it. I played Goldeneye when it came out and found little to appreciate. It was buggy, slow, and altogether a mess. The control setup was nothing short of apalling. Perfect Dark ended up wanting to do too much and having many of the same problems as Goldeneye. TWINE should be that groundbreaking achievment you're talking about. All the problems from the first one are addressed tenfold.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by theUndead_feature

But that's just it. I played Goldeneye when it came out and found little to appreciate. It was buggy, slow, and altogether a mess. The control setup was nothing short of apalling. Perfect Dark ended up wanting to do too much and having many of the same problems as Goldeneye. TWINE should be that groundbreaking achievment you're talking about. All the problems from the first one are addressed tenfold.

But in reality it would appear that most people at the time didn't have the issues you have with the game despite them arguably being more recognisable now. The same can be said of many other games.
Super Mario Galaxy, for instance, addresses all the problems of Super Mario 64 ten-fold but it will never be regarded with such nostalgia simply because it wasn't as revolutionary at the time as SM64 was to those of us who played it back in 96.

TP is probably a better technical acomplishment than OOT but most people who didn't come to it late still favour OOT because of the nostalgia they have from remembering how amazing it seemed at the time.

Goldeneye began the console FPS revolution and that's why it has its place in popular culture. A game coming along several years later and fixing its problems is commendable but wins no points for originality.

I take your point that you didn't enjoy it even then but if your talking about why it continues to have such a following then the obvious answer is that most other people did enjoy it quite alot.

[theUndead_feature]

Fair enough, Beta. I won't hate on it. But, I question your comparisons of TP and Oot/SMG and SM64. These are titles separated by a decade. Not by a couple of years.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by theUndead_feature

Fair enough, Beta. I won't hate on it. But, I question your comparisons of TP and Oot/SMG and SM64. These are titles separated by a decade. Not by a couple of years.

But that's precisely my point, if these games can come out a decade later and still be unable to outshine their predecessors 3D debuts in the eyes of nostalgics then what chance does a game that only has a few years on its competition in nostalgia have.

First will almost always be most popular provided that first is considered good...which is why nobody is nostalgic about Streetfighter 1.

Look how nostalgic people are about SMRPG despite the fact that every Mario RPG that's come out since has been infinitely better.

It's all about what broke the ground and made us smile for that first time where nostalgia is concerned. I honestly don't think many people remember The World is Not Enough because it simply wasn't groundbreaking or as original when released, no matter how polished it may have been.

Even this poll is reflecting the trend with more people preferring the technically inferior Goldeneye to the more polished Perfect Dark.

[link64]

Originally Posted by theUndead_feature

But that's just it. I played Goldeneye when it came out and found little to appreciate. It was buggy, slow, and altogether a mess. The control setup was nothing short of apalling. Perfect Dark ended up wanting to do too much and having many of the same problems as Goldeneye. TWINE should be that groundbreaking achievment you're talking about. All the problems from the first one are addressed tenfold.

I actually feel the same but about Tomb Raider I never got that games popularity.

edit: I know some people make comparisons about Uncharted but I found that game a massive improvement over Tomb Raider.

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by Kurachi

ps. i do play it on emulator sometimes, and its legal, since i own an original copy of the game

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

Im glad i saved this like to prove that owning the orignal game doesnt meant that its legal to make a pirate copy as one point in the articale mentions that its been decided that copying cartrides is illegal as copared to floppys due to there reliability meaning backups are not needed at all .

You playing an emulated copy means you playing an illeagle copy of the game .

Glad that i saved that link in my iPod touch .

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Without all of kawaiipikachu's holy (and misspelled) indignation... it's true that simply owning a copy of the game you're stealing is not enough to make it legal. Some people use it as a kind of moral justification of their crime, but I think if you're going to steal something, you might as well just man up and admit that you're doing so.

[MasterGH]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

Without all of kawaiipikachu's holy (and misspelled) indignation... it's true that simply owning a copy of the game you're stealing is not enough to make it legal. Some people use it as a kind of moral justification of their crime, but I think if you're going to steal something, you might as well just man up and admit that you're doing so.

There are some countries in which it is actually legal, but in virtually all those (that I've seen) you -need- to make the copy yourself, you can't use someone else's. So, if you live in Australia for example, you'd need to get one of those cartridge-copying hardware devices.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by MasterGH

There are some countries in which it is actually legal, but in virtually all those (that I've seen) you -need- to make the copy yourself, you can't use someone else's. So, if you live in Australia for example, you'd need to get one of those cartridge-copying hardware devices.

Those are, in many cases, illegal in and of themselves, which makes the whole process of creating legal backups even more complicated.

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

Without all of kawaiipikachu's holy (and misspelled) indignation... it's true that simply owning a copy of the game you're stealing is not enough to make it legal. Some people use it as a kind of moral justification of their crime, but I think if you're going to steal something, you might as well just man up and admit that you're doing so.

Still it's not like you're taking a copy from someones house or the shelves of a store. While it may be illegal I don't see why someone should feel bad or immoral for emulating a game they own when the company in question haven't offered an alternative on VC/XBLA/whatever. It's a lot more convienient for me to play pokemon blue on my ipod touch than take my gameboy on the bus to uni.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

I didn't say anyone should feel bad about it. Whether someone feels immoral about it depends on how the law factors into their moral system.

[theUndead_feature]

I admit to it. I'm not made of money, and if I really like a game I'll buy it when I can.

[Kurachi]

Originally Posted by Ouenben

It's upto Microsoft I believe who probably aren't willing to co-operate given an XBLA remake of Perfect dark is currently in deveopment.

Apparently we'd have goldeneye on VC already but Nintendo didn't want it on XBLA too or something so nothing was able to come of this gem.

i've heard something about remade games not going to the VC, which does happen after all (Kirby Super Star)

we may see it happening, but thats up to BOTH nintendo AND rare

but seeing rare changing its mind is... rare

ps. you made typo :

It's upto Microsoft I believe who probably aren't willing to co-operate given an XBLA remake of Perfect dark is currently in *deveopment*

i thought i'd warn you for that typo, cuz thats a small subject in this topic

anyway, if both cooperate, we MIGHT see them on VC... as i said: i doubt it

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by Kurachi

i've heard something about remade games not going to the VC, which does happen after all (Kirby Super Star)

we may see it happening, but thats up to BOTH nintendo AND rare

but seeing rare changing its mind is... rare

ps. you made typo :

It's upto Microsoft I believe who probably aren't willing to co-operate given an XBLA remake of Perfect dark is currently in *deveopment*

i thought i'd warn you for that typo, cuz thats a small subject in this topic

anyway, if both cooperate, we MIGHT see them on VC... as i said: i doubt it

Rare isn't the problem neithers Microsoft, it's Nintendo that were causing problems for goldeneye. Rare were working on a goldeneye remake for XBLA.

Goldeneye won't appear on VC, ever. I'll bet money on it.

and regards to the typo:
I'm officiay boycotting the etter L because I fee it's just not giving 100%.

And missing out an L in development isn't the same as saying 'perferd' 3 times in a single post with full awareness that it's a typo.

[SKTTR]

I like GoldenEye singleplayer more, but I perfert Perfect Dark just cos yer playin a girl with chest and cheeks, and multiplayer is much more satisfying because of bots, ranks, laptopgun, co-op and much more.

It is rare (no pun) that me & friends played a (semi-)sequel more than the original (because often, even if the game is better it loses steam, it's becoming just not that interesting anymore as the first time around), but Perfect Dark was still good enough.
A fat package that devastated the biggest flaws we know from GoldenEye (bad weapon select, no co-op).

But after all, it's a personal and aesthetic decision. They're both very different visually....
so one likes the today's settings of GoldenEye more, and one other perfers the futuristic setting of PD.
I can only say, I loved them both and they're the 2 best shooters on the N64 and I'm happy I still own them in mint condition and the Transfer Pak and GBC PD game too.

[kawaiipikachu]

Originally Posted by SKTTR

I like GoldenEye singleplayer more, but I perfert Perfect Dark just cos yer playin a girl with chest and cheeks, and multiplayer is much more satisfying because of bots, ranks, laptopgun, co-op and much more.

It is rare (no pun) that me & friends played a (semi-)sequel more than the original (because often, even if the game is better it loses steam, it's becoming just not that interesting anymore as the first time around), but Perfect Dark was still good enough.
A fat package that devastated the biggest flaws we know from GoldenEye (bad weapon select, no co-op).

But after all, it's a personal and aesthetic decision. They're both very different visually....
so one likes the today's settings of GoldenEye more, and one other perfers the futuristic setting of PD.
I can only say, I loved them both and they're the 2 best shooters on the N46 and I'm happy I still own them in mint condition and the Transfer Pak and GBC PD game too.

Very well spoken SKTTR .
They are both good games & derserving of praise but me personally prefer Perfet Dark as i find it a more refined game .

[SegaFan]

I like both for different reasons. I like Perfect Dark because it's an original creation, not based on an already existing franchise, but then Goldeneye has the great atmosphere of James Bond (better than in the films, I would say) which Perfect Dark feels slightly lacking in. Perfect Dark has more complex and varied levels and a better story, but Goldeneye's levels are (in my opinion) more memorable and distinctive. Perfect Dark is a bigger game and more technically advanced, but Goldeneye was more revolutionary at the time it was released.

I think Perfect Dark just has it, being an original franchise gives it a small advantage but so close that tomorrow I could change my mind. I haven't played either game for years, I have no idea if they are even playable next to today's FPS's. I hope when I play them again I'm not too disappointed. My prediction is that Goldeneye will stand the test of time better.

[Betagam7]

Perfect Dark does deserve at least one bonus point for its recreation of one of videogames greatest ever levels in its "Felicity" stage.

However the fact that the level itself is a remake of a Goldeneye level tells you why that game remains the more popular.

[Kurachi]

Originally Posted by SKTTR

I like GoldenEye singleplayer more, but I perfert Perfect Dark just cos yer playin a girl with chest and cheeks, and multiplayer is much more satisfying because of bots, ranks, laptopgun, co-op and much more.

It is rare (no pun) that me & friends played a (semi-)sequel more than the original (because often, even if the game is better it loses steam, it's becoming just not that interesting anymore as the first time around), but Perfect Dark was still good enough.
A fat package that devastated the biggest flaws we know from GoldenEye (bad weapon select, no co-op).

But after all, it's a personal and aesthetic decision. They're both very different visually....
so one likes the today's settings of GoldenEye more, and one other perfers the futuristic setting of PD.
I can only say, I loved them both and they're the 2 best shooters on the N64 and I'm happy I still own them in mint condition and the Transfer Pak and GBC PD game too.

is that al, you think off about PD? dont forget our friend elvis (the alien)
i loved to play with him in PD

i loved the temple most of it (in both GE and PD)
i was surprised to see it in PD after playing GE

GE was fun if wanna have more adventure, i remember me actually doing missions (me the one who didnt like shooting games, including FPS)

PD was better with VS mode, although i wanted that library (if its the one with basement and upper ways, and secret doors... and some glass ) in PD

best game would've been GE with simulants like PD in VS mode

[theUndead_feature]

Originally Posted by Kurachi

best game would've been GE with simulants like PD in VS mode

Yeah, they had that in The World is Not Enough.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by theUndead_feature

I don't understand the following behind either game. The World is Not Enough was far better than either Goldeneye or Perfect Dark.

It's no Time Splitters 2 though.

Originally Posted by Ouenben

Still it's not like you're taking a copy from someones house or the shelves of a store. While it may be illegal I don't see why someone should feel bad or immoral for emulating a game they own when the company in question haven't offered an alternative on VC/XBLA/whatever. It's a lot more convienient for me to play pokemon blue on my ipod touch than take my gameboy on the bus to uni.

It's been remade on the GBA. Unless you want Nintendo to constantly rehash that game, the remake should be easy to pick up.

[Mickeymac]

Originally Posted by Refa

It's no Time Splitters 2 though.

True enough.

Anyways, out of the choices here, I'd have to pick Perfect Dark, if only because it can't be as bad as Goldeneye.:P(and I prefer the sci-fi theme. I was never a James Bond fan)

[Kurachi]

Originally Posted by theUndead_feature

Yeah, they had that in The World is Not Enough.

i was talking about GE on N64, as thats what we're talking about
(or did i miss the change of subject?)

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Kurachi

i was talking about GE on N64, as thats what we're talking about
(or did i miss the change of subject?)

It's back on the first or second page.

[Kurachi]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

It's back on the first or second page.

oh, guess i really did miss something

it was the reason why i liked PD more than GE, cuz of simulants in VS mode, and the temple was always my favorite, so played alot in PD, and forgot about GE, dunno if i have that game around anymore, lol

[RetroNL]

Didnt Perfect Dark use the Expansion Pack ?! If so that game had a slight advantage in hardware usage. Still I played many N64 games but these 2 I played short and sometimes in multiplayer. Guess Im not such a fan of shooters in general.

[SKTTR]

Yes. Without the Expansion Pak you could only play "2 player deathmatch".
I think you couldn't even play with CPU bots/simulants but I'm not 100% sure. So, yes, it was needed for PD.
Soloplayer-storymode and 4player-deathmatch with bots, saying "the full game", only worked with the ExPak.

But a serious N64 gamer of course got the Expansion Pak as a freebie in Donkey Kong 64, too bad if you didn't liked Donkey Kong, so you had to get one at least for Majora's Mask. I also used it for many other Expak supporting games of the 1999-2001 era, but all it did was running the games in higher resolution.

I still can't get over the fact that Conker's Bad Fur Day - the game with the best graphics on the N64 by a mile - didn't support it in any way.

[RetroNL]

Originally Posted by SKTTR

Yes. Without the Expansion Pak you could only play "2 player deathmatch".
I think you couldn't even play with CPU bots/simulants but I'm not 100% sure. So, yes, it was needed for PD.
Soloplayer-storymode and 4player-deathmatch with bots, saying "the full game", only worked with the ExPak.

But a serious N64 gamer of course got the Expansion Pak as a freebie in Donkey Kong 64, too bad if you didn't liked Donkey Kong, so you had to get one at least for Majora's Mask. I also used it for many other Expak supporting games of the 1999-2001 era, but all it did was running the games in higher resolution.

I still can't get over the fact that Conker's Bad Fur Day - the game with the best graphics on the N64 by a mile - didn't support it in any way.

I bought it (EXP) exclusively for Majora's Mask back then. I also used it with Banjo Tooie, the graphics for instance where slightly sharper than those of Banjo Kazooie, but it didnt mind me too much.