Nintendo 3DS thoughts

[Betagam7]

Well, I guess we need a topic for this now.

Interesting sounding announcement, I'm particularly keen to know how Nintendo is going to do 3D without glasses as if that technology already exists then why hasn't the movie industry picked up on it? Expense perhaps with cinemas needing some kind of special screen?

I am concerned though that 3D, just as it was in its previous incarnations is usually a fad and we know what happened the last time Nintendo experimented with a fad in "Virtual Reality"...I bought one

[Ouenben]

It's just Nintendo's stupid stopgap system until the true Successor to the Nintendo 3DS comes out instead of this quick buck system which has the same processor as the DS just a different CPU name and number and type.

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Well, I guess we need a topic for this now.

Interesting sounding announcement, I'm particularly keen to know how Nintendo is going to do 3D without glasses as if that technology already exists then why hasn't the movie industry picked up on it? Expense perhaps with cinemas needing some kind of special screen?

I am concerned though that 3D, just as it was in its previous incarnations is usually a fad and we know what happened the last time Nintendo experimented with a fad in "Virtual Reality"...I bought one

It could be to do with headtracking using the camera which it will have being backwards compatible. (which I'm glad for)

Or something to do with this:


Things I want/would love on 3DS:
Virtual console support (link to Wii account) or/and Virtual handheld
Gamecube level graphics
Better connectivity with Wii/Wii2
A decent analogue stick/nub (PSP one isn't great)
Slot 2 port - Either for GBA games or just some port at the bottom for additional peripherals as the DS/Lite had some nifty addons like Guitar heros adaptor, the paddle controller etc

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

Interesting sounding announcement, I'm particularly keen to know how Nintendo is going to do 3D without glasses as if that technology already exists then why hasn't the movie industry picked up on it? Expense perhaps with cinemas needing some kind of special screen?

I'm guessing it has to do with the camera. There was that Japanese game/demo a while back that showed the player tilting the DS around a 3D world that kind of worked this way.

Originally Posted by Betagam7

I am concerned though that 3D, just as it was in its previous incarnations is usually a fad and we know what happened the last time Nintendo experimented with a fad in "Virtual Reality"...I bought one

I don't know if 3D is just a fad now, with Sony mass-manufacturing 3D TVs and the tech being used more and more in films. Sure, it may subside, but I have a feeling we're just going to see more and more of it before we see less.

[Betagam7]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

I don't know if 3D is just a fad now, with Sony mass-manufacturing 3D TVs and the tech being used more and more in films. Sure, it may subside, but I have a feeling we're just going to see more and more of it before we see less.

I went to see Alice in Wonderland recently and all I can say is that I hope this ISN'T the future of films. I didn't find anything in the 3D to be particularly jaw dropping and I didn't really appreciate wearing shades for the whole film which darkened the brightness of the screen.

As for the associated hike up in cost that came with the ticket (presumably to cover the glasses)...no thanks.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Betagam7

I went to see Alice in Wonderland recently and all I can say is that I hope this ISN'T the future of films. I didn't find anything in the 3D to be particularly jaw dropping and I didn't really appreciate wearing shades for the whole film which darkened the brightness of the screen.

As for the associated hike up in cost that came with the ticket (presumably to cover the glasses)...no thanks.

Hmm... I thought those films were supposed to be brighter to make up for the glasses.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, 3D is something I can definitely do without in gaming, especially since the first wave of games using this tech are destined to be cheesy as hell, but there's always hope that some company will think of interesting ways to use it.

The system does (tentatively) still have "DS" in the name though, so like you I wonder when they're going to announce something about the DS's true successor.

[Angelic Lapras King]

3D is the new law sadly.

Still, interesting. I'd imagine this will be like the GBC where some 3DS games work on older DS's too, only with a 3D bonus then a colour one...

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by Angelic Lapras King

3D is the new law sadly.

Still, interesting. I'd imagine this will be like the GBC where some 3DS games work on older DS's too, only with a 3D bonus then a colour one...

No thanks, DSi can have those I want fully new games on the 3DS that will properly take advantage of the increase in specs, DS owners have a massive library of games to chose from they don't need future console titles too.

Maybe that sounds stupid but basically I'm worried if they did that the software would be restricted/limited if developers tried to make it work on both systems.

I hope the 3DS comes with a decent amount of internal storage like 16GB so devs can assume everyone has it,and theres no problem like with the xbox 360 core. Stupid Microsoft...

[Ouenben]

"A control stick that lets the player move 3 dimensionally"
vibration, check
battery life up, check
wireless speed up, check
tilt sensor, under consideration
"a screen smaller than the DSi LL's 4.2", so probably under 4"

from:

http://www.nikkei.com/tech/news/arti...E2E2E2E2E2E2E2

Bear in mind they correctly pre-empted the DSi and DS XL. It's possible they're bang on with this info again hence Nintendo getting the press release out.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

All of those things sound good, especially the tilt sensor and the smaller than XL screen. If it's a dual-screen clamshell design, the stick will probably be a nub similar to the one on the PSP.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Originally Posted by Ouenben

No thanks, DSi can have those I want fully new games on the 3DS that will properly take advantage of the increase in specs, DS owners have a massive library of games to chose from they don't need future console titles too.

Maybe that sounds stupid but basically I'm worried if they did that the software would be restricted/limited if developers tried to make it work on both systems.

I hope the 3DS comes with a decent amount of internal storage like 16GB so devs can assume everyone has it,and theres no problem like with the xbox 360 core. Stupid Microsoft...

And I'm sure there will be, but for crap like Carnavel Games V: Revenge of the Games, or games that don't require big fancy graphics or whatever, it'll shift more copies. The 5th Gen of Pokemon games were confirmed for DS, and I'm sure playing em on a 3DS will have bonuses and such. Sides, Nintendo would eventually kill the DS Lite, and DSi's once 3DS has sold enough (And when they want to release a 3DSi Lite XL SUPER DUPER, lol.)

I'd be happy with 1 GB of storage, 256mb aint enough. DSiWare's pretty small. Dunno if GB/GBC/GBA games on a VH would be too big either, though I'm sure they'll introduce a "3DSWare" service, or remame the DSiWare service to DSWare to incorperate 3D Downloadable games and such...

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

All of those things sound good, especially the tilt sensor and the smaller than XL screen. If it's a dual-screen clamshell design, the stick will probably be a nub similar to the one on the PSP.

God I hope not. I can't stand the thing and I know this is a common complaint.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by Ouenben

God I hope not. I can't stand the thing and I know this is a common complaint.

I don't know how else they'll fit a control stick inside a clamshell, unless they stick it off the side of the system or something.

I think the PSP nub is basically perfect.

[Tides of Chaos]

Jeez, were people expecting this announcement? I'm finding this as an out-of-the-blue kind of thing but maybe I missed something. Not too sure how I feel about this. I think I'll need to wait for E3 to get an idea of what to expect since a lot of the info seems to be speculation-like so far.

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by Jogurt the Yogurt

I don't know how else they'll fit a control stick inside a clamshell, unless they stick it off the side of the system or something.

I think the PSP nub is basically perfect.

Well we don't know the thickness of it yet but the Neogeo stick wasn't that large but it certainly felt alot better than the PSP's nub.

The stick doesn't need to be that much above the system just a cm or so surely, a space could be placed on the top screen for it to fit into when shut.

Originally Posted by Tides of Chaos

Jeez, were people expecting this announcement? I'm finding this as an out-of-the-blue kind of thing but maybe I missed something. Not too sure how I feel about this. I think I'll need to wait for E3 to get an idea of what to expect since a lot of the info seems to be speculation-like so far.

No we weren't expecting it but it's possible they're trying to get some info out there to capture interest early because E3 isn't until June and the Ipad and Windows 7 Mobiles are out before then, and Sony must have something in plan for PSP2.

[Tides of Chaos]

This really seems like a dumb time for an announcement. I could understand an early leak but why an official announcement right when the XL is coming out? Are they admitting that there's no reason to buy an XL and to just wait or what? Building excitement just doesn't seem like a good enough reason to me. (unless Sony is doing the same thing and Nintendo doesn't want to look like a copycat?)

[hansolo350]

Actually it is a good idea for Nintendo to announce the 3DS now because this way their stocks will go up right before the fiscal year ends next week.

[theUndead_feature]

I hate anything in that artifical 3D crap. I hope this tanks.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Originally Posted by hansolo350

Actually it is a good idea for Nintendo to announce the 3DS now because this way their stocks will go up right before the fiscal year ends next week.

No to mention something to look forward to at E3 that isnt called Zelda. =D

[jackaroo]

It sounds interesting. I havent played any 3D games yet and id like to see it in action. At least it will be backwards compatible with the DS aswell. I hope they add the GBA slot again aswell but I doubt they will. Also hoping we will get a Virtual Handheld type store.

[SegaFan]

Since I missed the DSi this is probably the right time for me to upgrade from my Lite. Even if the 3D stuff fails I'd like to try it.

[kawaiipikachu]

While the announcement was a bit strange but still a propper successor is what i really want .
I reckon there hardware devoloment team was really working hard the past 3 years to get this working & i can't wait what shows up at E3 .
Just that they could have cut the devolopment time by not going on with the DSi crap .

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by kawaiipikachu

While the announcement was a bit strange but still a successor is what really want I reckon hardware team was really working hard the past 3 years to get this working can't wait what shows up at E3 Just that they could have cut the time by not going on with the DSi crap

What...?

Anyway, this is just another version of the DS, another stopgap, not a next-gen portable. I'm surprised that you of all people is excited about it when you could be waiting patiently for Nintendo's next portable.

[SegaFan]

Anyway, this is just another version of the DS, another stopgap, not a next-gen portable. I'm surprised that you of all people is excited about it when you could be waiting patiently for Nintendo's next portable.

Maybe Nintendo intend to evolve the DS slowly rather than releasing one per generation. You could be waiting a while if it's anything like the Game Boy, released in 1989 and never received a significant update until 2001 but updated in stages (the the 3DS could be a parallel to the GBC, if it's successful enough).

Like the Game Boy, it's so successful they don't really need to improve on the technology much even with technically superior rivals.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Originally Posted by SegaFan

Maybe Nintendo intend to evolve the DS slowly rather than releasing one per generation. You could be waiting a while if it's anything like the Game Boy, released in 1989 and never received a significant update until 2001 but updated in stages (the the 3DS could be a parallel to the GBC, if it's successful enough).

Like the Game Boy, it's so successful they don't really need to improve on the technology much even with technically superior rivals.

A sigh at you, Mr. Joke-Misser.

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by SegaFan

Maybe Nintendo intend to evolve the DS slowly rather than releasing one per generation. You could be waiting a while if it's anything like the Game Boy, released in 1989 and never received a significant update until 2001 but updated in stages (the the 3DS could be a parallel to the GBC, if it's successful enough).

Like the Game Boy, it's so successful they don't really need to improve on the technology much even with technically superior rivals.

Why wouldn't you consider the Gameboy colour a significant update? It had twice as fast a processor, 4 times the memory and the infrared port.

It might not have been as big a jump as the GBA or DS but it had different hardware, new features, etc which I'd classify as a new console.

[SegaFan]

A sigh at you, Mr. Joke-Misser.

Ah, when you wrote "you of all people" I read it as "all of you people" and so I went on the defense. Sorry.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Ouenben

Why wouldn't you consider the Gameboy colour a significant update? It had twice as fast a processor, 4 times the memory and the infrared port.

It might not have been as big a jump as the GBA or DS but it had different hardware, new features, etc which I'd classify as a new console.

Because Game Boy Color games looked, sounded, and played like Game Boy games with Color. It was pretty much the DSi of the past.

PS The infrared port was a useless gimmick.

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by Refa

Because Game Boy Color games looked, sounded, and played like Game Boy games with Color. It was pretty much the DSi of the past.

PS The infrared port was a useless gimmick.

You're right. Super mario bros dx was basically the same as super mario land and perfect dark certainly remindinded me of a monochrome gameboy game.

Okay there are a fair few games for the gbc that seem like the only upgrade was colour but this was mainly due to many of them being backwards compatible with the Gameboy anyway.

Donkey kong country and Donkey kong land on GBC/GB are a good show of what the extra hardware boost let developers do.

The Oracle games don't have quite the difference from links awakening but I suspect this is because they were using LA so firmly as their guide in the first place.

[Refa]

Originally Posted by Ouenben

You're right. Super mario bros dx was basically the same as super mario land and perfect dark certainly remindinded me of a monochrome gameboy game.

Okay there are a fair few games for the gbc that seem like the only upgrade was colour but this was mainly due to many of them being backwards compatible with the Gameboy anyway.

Donkey kong country and Donkey kong land on GBC/GB are a good show of what the extra hardware boost let developers do.

The Oracle games don't have quite the difference from links awakening but I suspect this is because they were using LA so firmly as their guide in the first place.

Super Mario Bros. DX looks worse than Super Mario Land 2. Perfect Dark probably could've been done on a monochrome GB. It's not any more impressive than FaceBall 2000 (GB). Donkey Kong Country on the GBC looks slightly less crappy than Donkey Kong Land, although that's only because it's less blurry and in color. Anyways, the main point of my comparison is that the DSi is like an improved DS, and the GBC is like an improved GB, rather than just a simple slimming the console down.

[Earl_Wiggles]

For anyone not sure what the DSi game people believe this technology is based on, check this.

I'll wait until there's more information about before passing judgement.

[Jorbet the Sorbet]

cant wait for some 3D mario lol! its gonna be awesome

[Mango the Hare]

Great idea Nintendo.

Portable queasinesss anyone?

That's why Sony rulez the market.

[link64]

Originally Posted by Jorbet the Sorbet

cant wait for some 3D mario lol! its gonna be awesome

Originally Posted by Mango the Hare

Great idea Nintendo.

Portable queasinesss anyone?

That's why Sony rulez the market.

Enough with the sock accounts jogurt.

[Jorbet the Sorbet]

wtf does that even mean?

[link64]

Originally Posted by Jorbet the Sorbet

wtf does that even mean?

Come on Jorbet Im supposed to assume your not a sock account when you have a similar name to Jogurt the Yogurt and you started your account the same month he got banned.

[Jorbet the Sorbet]

who is that guy anuway?

[link64]

Originally Posted by Jorbet the Sorbet

who is that guy anuway?

http://www.vc-forums.com/whos-responsible-t16015.html

[Jorbet the Sorbet]

lol that newb got pwnt
thats not me tho

[Ouenben]

Originally Posted by link64

http://www.vc-forums.com/whos-responsible-t16015.html

You do realise there's a good probability it's not Jogurt but someone pretending to be him and wanting him to get banned.

The mods will determine the case soon hopefully.