Zero Tolerance

[Mendez]

Please Please Please tell me that someone else on here (apart from my brother) has played and loved this game, or even knows what it is!

It's possibly the most under-rated game for the MegaDrive, I just hope we see a VC release sometime.

Z2OsH4ZuAlI

I know it may not look overwhelming from the video, but it's much better than it looks.
Number on the left represents enemy's left in the level, number on the right shows how much health you have left, red dots on the radar show the enemy's.

It also lasts for ages, I'm not sure how many levels are on it, but there's a lot. Only problem I used to find was the lengthy passwords, and the fact they'd drop you off on the level you'd just completed, but that's fixed with the VC's save feature.
I can't be bothered going into detail, so just watch the video :p

Please let it happen, Ninty/ Sega!

[link64]

sorry but this looks very dated when compared with more modern FPS.

[SKTTR]

This is dated but has a biiiig nostalgia factor.
For me it's the same just with DOOM on SNES.
These games were brilliant for console gamers back in time
when the only thing that could do real 3D was a high end PC or the SNES Super FX Chip.

http://www.schnittberichte.com/www/SBs/3265/coversnes.jpg

You must be old and wise to understand such things, heheh.
They weren't cheap FPS-lies like Silent Debuggers. These were real FPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETvp_V5c16M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6-beSWGoMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw6UhVfO4Ak

This was true 3D-gaming in a 2D-era.
Such games were rare, original and they shocked everyone.
Much time has passed since then, and we could even get GoldenEye on VC,
but you can't take nostalgia away.

I appreciate Zero Tolerance on MD just as Doom on SNES.


Some facts:

http://i13.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/ae/d5/3798_1.JPG
*in the US Doom (SNES) came on a bloody red cartridge. Must be some cash worth now.
There were not many cartridges other than the usual grey colored ones.
Killer Instinct came on a black cartridge.

http://www.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1076250472-00.jpg
*Doom 64 was an excellent and exclusive game for N64 with all new levels
and it was the best Doom for 10 years until Doom 3 came out.

[link64]

well I have only played the windows version of doom so I dont know about about the snes version but I found the nostalgia quickly goes away when playing it today.

[SKTTR]

If you play an old game, that's not nostalgia.

Nostalgia is a scratch in the brain: Something you like to remember.
Nostalgia is born after ten years and grows with every additional year.

Have you played Doom when it originally came out and not played since?
That's nostalgia!

Or basically: Think of a game you played ages ago.
A game long lost. A game you loved.
That's nostalgia.

If you play it today there's only 2 options:

Option 1: Flashback! You get a kick! The game is just as awesome as it was long ago. The music you loved rings now live in your ears. The levels you played, all comes back at once! You feel young!

Option 2: WHHAA? EH? Whasup? That's not.. the game I used to love! That's not what it supposed to be!!! THIS IS A FAKE!! Man, did it grow old! Man, did I grow old!

[link64]

I played it in 1995 and it was the first FPS I played and liked it then but now it feels very basic and fomulated.

[yoshi175]

THis game was damn hard ,you had a character selesct then if you dye that caracter is dead for the whole game.

[neuzd]

....when the only thing that could do real 3D was a high end PC or the SNES Super FX Chip.

I'm sorry...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a7/SENTINEL-1.GIF/250px-SENTINEL-1.GIF
The Sentinel, 1986 (ZX-Spectrum screenshot)

http://www.zzap64.co.uk/zzap1/elite1.gif
Elite, 1984-85 (C=64 schreenshot)

http://www.crashonline.org.uk/43/images/mercnry.gif
Mercenary, 1985 (probably a ZX-Spectrum screenshot)

http://plus4.emucamp.com/images/r/revs.gif
REVS 1984 (C=64 shot)

[Mendez]

sorry but this looks very dated when compared with more modern FPS.
I know it may not look overwhelming from the video, but it's much better than it looks.
¬_¬
Sometimes things aren't what they look like.

It even looks very dated, and slightly boring for me when I watch the vid, but when it's played it's a completely different thing. It's addictive and really fun, definitely beats Doom in my opinion.

[SKTTR]

doom is intense and cool. even today. it's perfectly playable.
and it's a classic. i'm talking about the snes version. this was also
fast and has the best music of all the ports.

@neuzd:

I was aware of these games.
In fact I have Mercenary on C64 and Elite on C64 and NES.
But these old games were just made of grids (polygons without textures)
and boy, did they move slow and pop up everywhere.
The ones you mentioned were the ones that actually were playable..
And Elite is not just a classic, it's an evergreen! It's top!
It's all 3D, you're right, of course. 3D graphics have come a long way.
BUT... polygons with textures.. and smooth framerates is another chapter.

[Joxe]

Doom is just emulated 3D, right? Just like Mario Kart while StarFox for the SNES was real 3D with polygons. As far as I know Doom was made of Mode 7 pixels to emulate a 3D look. There's some catchy name for this kind of 3D but unfortunately I've forgotten it ^_^

And maybe back to topic, the game looks interesting and I would gladly try to play it, but I wouldn't spend 800 points on it he it was untested for me.

[SKTTR]

Doom is just emulated 3D, right? Just like Mario Kart while StarFox for the SNES was real 3D with polygons. As far as I know Doom was made of Mode 7 pixels to emulate a 3D look. There's some catchy name for this kind of 3D but unfortunately I've forgotten it ^_^

And maybe back to topic, the game looks interesting and I would gladly try to play it, but I wouldn't spend 800 points on it he it was untested for me.

Doom is a mix of 3D and 2D.
Like Mario Kart 64.
The levels are made of 3D polygons with textures,
the enemies and items are just animated 2D sprites.

It's not the kind of "emulated" 3D you find in games like Super Mario Kart, F-Zero, Space Harrier II. Doom is real 3D graphics and real 3D gameplay.

[link64]

You can’t look up or down serious it all pseudo-3D.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_engine

[SKTTR]

You're so right man! Wii Sports is Pseudo-3D! I can't look up and down there!

x_x

Please don't make such comments as it hurts so much.
Kick in my head instead.

[Larry]

Zero Tolerance :D

I can't believe, anybody even know this Game. I still own the Cartridge for my Mega Drive.

Yes, please bring this one to VC.

[link64]

You're so right man! Wii Sports is Pseudo-3D! I can't look up and down there!

x_x

Please don't make such comments as it hurts so much.
Kick in my head instead.

Did even bother looking at the link

[SKTTR]

i dont care about looking at the link,
i'd rather turn on my snes and play doom (in all it's pseudo 3D glory) live.
there's no better evidence.


EDIT: To clear things up, I just clicked on the link and now I understand what you mean by pseudo-3D but you're wrong.

You said
You can’t look up or down serious it all pseudo-3D.
and that alone makes a 3D-game not pseudo-3D.

There are some other factors you should have mentioned (like no multiple floors above each other).
But who cares about these things anyway as they make no difference?
The graphics are in 3D and more important: The gameplay is in 3D.

Everyone knows, Pseudo-3D is no real 3D..
Pseudo-3D is in games like F-Zero, Super Mario Kart, Pilotwings, Space Harrier, Mach Rider!
Real 3D is in Starfox, Super Mario 64, Wii Sports, Doom.

[neuzd]

You can’t look up or down serious it all pseudo-3D.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_engine

An even stronger point against this sentence would be:
In the original version of DooM you CAN'T look up or down.
In Heretic you CAN look up or down.
Same engine...so what? I can't really understand the meaning of that phrase...did you forget punctuation?

I don't find so helpful, linking an article where somewhere, there's the point you want to support.
Shouldn't be more useful if you argument by yourself?

Anyway, I never knew of this Zero Tolerance, but back in the days of the DooM craze, this had to be oxygen for Sega players; I'm liking the movie.

@SKTTRBRUISE
I'm sorry for my previous message, but my historical-gaming-gland reacts spontaneously sometimes..
If you're an Elite fan, never heard of Oolite (http://oolite.aegidian.org/)?

[link64]

I didn’t mean that was the only thing that made it 3D anyway this article explains it a bit better.

http://www.whisqu.se/per/docs/graphics90.htm


Heretic use a modifed engine so I wouldnt now about that anyway with most games using the doom engine thats apparantly thats just an illusion as well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_engine

[SKTTR]

@SKTTRBRUISE
I'm sorry for my previous message, but my historical-gaming-gland reacts spontaneously sometimes..
If you're an Elite fan, never heard of Oolite (http://oolite.aegidian.org/)?

Why sorry, historical gaming is interesting. :D
I'm sorry for Mendez, we're busting his topic. ^^

And no, don't know about Oolite, but I'm gonna check this out. Thx.

Since my NES has been damaged somehow and won't work properly all the time,
and my C64 is somewhere hidden in the basement,
the last time I played Elite was in the mid-90ies on Amiga.
I think it was called Frontier: Elite II but I didn't like it as much as the original on C64.
It was good but something was missing.

To come back to the topic and leave that pseudo 3D garbage behind,
as I watched the video for Zero Tolerance I noticed something interesting:
Different characters. But what are the differences?

[Mendez]

Zero Tolerance :D

I can't believe, anybody even know this Game. I still own the Cartridge for my Mega Drive.

Yes, please bring this one to VC.
Finally someone who actually has something to say about the game :lol:

I was beginning to believe I was the only person who cared about it!

[kelvingreen]

Since my NES has been damaged somehow and won't work properly all the time,
and my C64 is somewhere hidden in the basement,
the last time I played Elite was in the mid-90ies on Amiga.
I think it was called Frontier: Elite II but I didn't like it as much as the original on C64.
Aye, that's the name. Great game, if a little buggy. I think the reason it doesn't stack up so well against its predecessor is that it made the gaming area so much larger, but didn't give you much more to do within that area than the original did, so it felt a bit boring and empty at times. I still get Frontier out for a bash now and then though.

Maybe we'll see NES Elite on VC? ;)

[JackL]

Hmm Zero Tolerance looks a bit like a game I played back in the day, Corporation. Same old-school FPS game play with character select at the beginning. These games are kinda hard to enjoy by todays standards but great for the nostalgia at least...