Sonic!

[Pocketim]

There's heaps of threads on Sonic games but here you can just talk about sonic in general!

Sonic 3D blast isn't as bad as people say, but it is a little slow paced, however, it's the only sonic game left to release!

[Angelic Lapras King]

Except for S+K you mean?

[Pocketim]

Except for S+K you mean?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one:D

[Shortay]

I'm just happy he'll be in brawl, he should be a really good character :)
I was thinking of getting Sectet Rings a couple of months ago but decided against it 'cause reviews said it was just ok

[Angelic Lapras King]

I'm just happy he'll be in brawl, he should be a really good character :)
I was thinking of getting Sectet Rings a couple of months ago but decided against it 'cause reviews said it was just ok
Bah, I think its pretty good.

[The shoemaker]

Secret rings is pretty good just I beat it pretty quick but there's still loads of extras. It's good enough that I'm putting it on my christmas list. Also I'm surprised nintendo has almost all of the sonics out already. And I've never played 3D blast but the video I saw looked good.

[kelvingreen]

And we're still waiting on Sonic CD... ;)


Sonic 3D is okay, but the controls were horrible. The Saturn version let you use the analogue stick, which made the game much more playable, so the Mega Drive version might play better using the GC or Classic Controllers. It's just not up there with the 2D Sonics though.

I quite like Rings. It's better than reviews suggest, and it's the best 3D entry in the series. I haven't played it much recently though.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Well, suspended play should make it a bit better. Going through the game in one go was a bit painful...

[Pocketim]

I was thinking of getting Sectet Rings a couple of months ago but decided against it 'cause reviews said it was just ok

Well at least rent it, I didn't really think it was worth the price but its a good game, I just hate the terrible framerate:mad:

[Shortay]

Well at least rent it, I didn't really think it was worth the price but its a good game, I just hate the terrible framerate:mad:

But I can't rent any Wii games! No local video game stores rent out Wii games; only 360 and PS3...:(

[Sonic]

I see Sonic 2 on the VC has blue borders in EU. Was this how it was originally? In fact were all Megadrive games released with blue borders?

[ICEknight]

I see Sonic 2 on the VC has blue borders in EU. Was this how it was originally? In fact were all Megadrive games released with blue borders?It did have colored borders originally, but filling the whole gap around the screen, unlike the way you see them in the VC, where only a brief part of it appears, above and below the screen.

Additionally, and speaking of Sonic 2, you could see how the side borders changed its color depending on the water level.

It would be another one of those easy fixes that could be made if they could be bothered making it feel like a real PAL system, but since you can barely see the rest of the borders in NTSC regions, they just decided to leave it like that. =\

How I wish we could make SEGA notice this stuff, so they could update the emulator to something more bearable (having the sound skip each 5 seconds doesn't make a faithful emulator precisely).

[Sonic]

The sound skips every 5 seconds! Don't think I'll be getting it then. I want faithful re-production's not a constant reminder I'm not playing it on the original console:(

[Sonic]

Just searched the net and couldn't find anything about the VC Sonic 2 sound being botched.

[ICEknight]

I didn't mean in Sonic 2. It happens to me in Streets of Rage 2 and Dynamite Headdy, so I guess that happens in every MD title for the VC. You might not notice it if you're not used to the original games, but I personally find it kinda annoying (that, and all the other sound imperfections).


I'm talking about the PAL versions, no idea about 60Hz NTSC.

[Sonic]

I do notice it sometimes on Hill Top zone on XBLA.

[ICEknight]

That's different, I don't think they even emulate the sound CPUs in there, but use pre-recorded music. Don't quote me on that, though.

[Sonic]

Bought the original Sonic the Hedgehog from the VC today. I was well prepared for the slower music and gameplay due to the vids I'd seen on youtube. However, I wasn't prepared for the size of the borders! I knew they were meant to be pretty big but, well, they're huge!! I had to check my TV to make sure I didn't have the wrong picture format on! Since I only use my Wii for the VC I think I'll be getting a 4:3 TV for it.

I never complained about the borders when I was 14, I think the problem is these games obviously wasn't designed with 32" HD LCD TV's in mind.

[Sonic]

That's different, I don't think they even emulate the sound CPUs in there, but use pre-recorded music. Don't quote me on that, though.

I see. So in terms of sound the VC is exactly the same as the originals where as XBLA titles might be a bit different? I notice when you run past the sign post at the end of a level on Sonic the sound of the post spinning round is different on the VC version than on the XBLA version. Since I can't remember exactly how it sounded on the Megadrive/Genisis version I don't know which one is correct. I'm guessing VC?

[ICEknight]

No, the MegaDrive sound emulation in the VC is quite terrible in many aspects. I haven't listened to the Live Arcade version, but it might sound more like the real thing (specially if it's just playing pre-recorded sounds instead of emulating).

The signpost sound is precisely one of the things that can tell if sound emulation is actually good or bad. Steve Snake nailed it with his reverse-engineered sound core for Kega Fusion, but Nintendo isn't using it, sadly.


In the VC, that signpost sounds nothing like the real thing, and the same happens in certain similar sounds in Dynamite Headdy, some instruments in Streets of Rage 2, etc.

[Sonic]

That's a real shame. I was going to sleep at night happy that all my childhood favourites were going to be stored in one convienient little box. Looks like unless I go on Ebay and buy a SNES, Megadrive, NES, PC Engine, and have a dedicated games room for all the room they'll take up, that I'll never be able to experience retro games properly:(

Sickening.

[ICEknight]

Well, I haven't noticed any issues with the supported VC systems other than the MegaDrive.


By the way, it would be a good thing if you emailed SEGA and Nintendo telling 'em just that. If they notice many users want more accurate sound, they might actually look into it and release an update.

[Sonic]

Well, I haven't noticed any issues with the supported VC systems other than the MegaDrive.


By the way, it would be a good thing if you emailed SEGA and Nintendo telling 'em just that. If they notice many users want more accurate sound, they might actually look into it and release an update.

Is the best way to contact them via their official websites?

[Pocketim]

Is the best way to contact them via their official websites?

For Nintendo, yes, I don't know about SEGA however

[Taint Smack]

And we're still waiting on Sonic CD... ;)


Sonic 3D is okay, but the controls were horrible. The Saturn version let you use the analogue stick, which made the game much more playable, so the Mega Drive version might play better using the GC or Classic Controllers. It's just not up there with the 2D Sonics though.

I quite like Rings. It's better than reviews suggest, and it's the best 3D entry in the series. I haven't played it much recently though.
What? Hell no. I have Sonic 3D Blast for my Saturn and let me tell you, it's no where on par with the Adventure games on the Dreamcast.

[SegaFan]

Sonic 3D blast isn't as bad as people say, but it is a little slow paced, however, it's the only sonic game left to release!
It's not a bad game but the Saturn version is much better. Once you've played the Saturn version it's difficult to go back.

I was thinking of getting Sectet Rings a couple of months ago but decided against it 'cause reviews said it was just ok
I can't make up my mind about Secret Rings, it depends how I feel at the time, but at its worst it's definitely not bad. It's not the best Sonic game ever but as a Sonic fan I didn't regret buying it.

Bought the original Sonic the Hedgehog from the VC today. I was well prepared for the slower music and gameplay due to the vids I'd seen on youtube. However, I wasn't prepared for the size of the borders! I knew they were meant to be pretty big but, well, they're huge!! I had to check my TV to make sure I didn't have the wrong picture format on! Since I only use my Wii for the VC I think I'll be getting a 4:3 TV for it.

I never complained about the borders when I was 14, I think the problem is these games obviously wasn't designed with 32" HD LCD TV's in mind.
If you've got a widescreen you can make it slightly better by using the zoom function which cuts off the top and the bottom of the picture. It won't fix the ratio but you won't have any borders to look at. It might also cut off some of the game but you can usually adjust that.

[Sonic]

I've e-mailed Nintendo. Hope I mailed the right dept...

[Pocketim]

Today I treated myself to Sonic the hedgehog 2, I found that on the First level and the Hill Top level that there are blue boarders, and on that oil themed level there are orange boarders, I havn't seen then on any other levels.

Remember though, I live in NZ, not EU or NA

[ICEknight]

Is the best way to contact them via their official websites?
You might want to try using this page, now that you've already contacted Nintendo: http://sega-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/sega_en.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php


Don't forget to tell them the blue borders should extend to the screen limit... Having a black border surrounding the blue border is a bit dumb.

[Sonic]

Mmm, keeps saying "product requires a value" when trying to submit the e-mail.

Edit- I had to choose "Sonic and the Secret Rings" as an option, even though my post had nothing to do with the game.

[Pocketim]

On Sonic 2 if you have all the chaos emeralds and 50 rings when you jump on the capsule and destroy it you will change back to normal Sonic, then jump again and Sonic will walk in mid-air!

[Sonic]

On Sonic 2 if you have all the chaos emeralds and 50 rings when you jump on the capsule and destroy it you will change back to normal Sonic, then jump again and Sonic will walk in mid-air!

Is this glitch exclusive to the VC version, or was it present on the original release?

[Pocketim]

Is this glitch exclusive to the VC version, or was it present on the original release?

I dunno, I never had the original

[Pocketim]

I've been playing Sonic CD lately, hope it gets a release on VC

[Sonic]

I've been playing Sonic CD lately, hope it gets a release on VC

Me too. I'd love to see the Mega CD/Sega CD on the VC.

[The shoemaker]

I just downloaded Sonic 2 and it's great! I like having tails with me it makes me feel stronger and not alone. The music is so much better, I just want to keep on playing and playing because of it. The graphics are a bit better more bright and colorful. And the levels are funner, I can finally go fast without missing to much. This is a really good game but I noticed it's shorter. Instead of having 3 levels then a boss it's only 2. I can't rate this game yet because it might be one of those games where i like it at first but then it's just pure crap. But so far I would give it a 8/10.

[SegaFan]

This is a really good game but I noticed it's shorter. Instead of having 3 levels then a boss it's only 2.
The zones are only 2 acts but there are more zones (10 instead of 6), so there are more levels in total. But the game is slightly easier in my opinion.

[Sonic]

There's three zones on metropolis zone.

[ICEknight]

On Sonic 2 if you have all the chaos emeralds and 50 rings when you jump on the capsule and destroy it you will change back to normal Sonic, then jump again and Sonic will walk in mid-air!
That bug was fixed in version 2 of the game, but it looks like they've released v.0 or perhaps v.1.

I think the bugfixed version was included in Sonic Mega Collection, but I'm not too sure. Can somebody check it out, please?

EDIT: Just checked myself and Sonic Mega Collection indeed includes a fixed "version 1" of the game, which additionally fixed another bug. Also, the Sonic Compilation released for the MegaDrive as a 3-in-1 official cartridge included "version 2", with even more stuff fixed (didn't somebody mention already the Hill Top freezing bug when destroying a certain dinosaur?).

So yes, they should be releasing one of these on the VC, as an update.

[The shoemaker]

I think sonic 2 is better because it's a bit easier, the first one was too hard.

[Pocketim]

I think sonic 2 is better because it's a bit easier, the first one was too hard.

The first one is easier once you get to know the levels (e.g. Marble Zone)

[SegaFan]

I don't know, Labyrinth zone on Sonic 1 remains one of the hardest Sonic levels, wheras on Sonic 2 there is nothing that difficult. Sonic 1 is the harder game in my opinion, that's why I prefer it.

[jackaroo]

Me too. I'd love to see the Mega CD/Sega CD on the VC.

Not impossible since we now have TG-CD games. Maybe we will get a Mega CD game released and put in the megadrive section (After all MCD was just an add-on). Personally though i dont care about MCD games since ive only played Sonic CD and from what ive seen the rest look craptacular.

[SegaFan]

Personally though i dont care about MCD games since ive only played Sonic CD and from what ive seen the rest look craptacular.
That's not so, while it wasn't Sega's finest moment there are several very good games on Mega CD, Sonic CD isn't even the best.

[Sonic]

Agreed. Although I never played Sonic CD I really liked Night Trap and ground Zero Texas. Not sure how Ground Zero Texas would be these days though. Sure at the time it was great, but nowadays you can play flash games on your PC that are pretty similiar.

[The shoemaker]

I don't know, Labyrinth zone on Sonic 1 remains one of the hardest Sonic levels, wheras on Sonic 2 there is nothing that difficult. Sonic 1 is the harder game in my opinion, that's why I prefer it.

Thats as far as I could make it.

[Sonic]

Thats as far as I could make it.

To be fair you was -3 when it came out;)

[The shoemaker]

To be fair you was -3 when it came out;)

Well how about I say it like this that is as far as i can make it. I just played this game for the first time on wii.

[Pocketim]

Well how about I say it like this that is as far as i can make it. I just played this game for the first time on wii.

By the way Shoemaker I wasn't alive when it was released either:D

[The shoemaker]

Oh so I'm not the only one :)

[Angelic Lapras King]

So, with Sonic 3D out, now we play th waiting game (For S+K and/or comfirmsion of Mega CD and/or 32X support with Sonic CD and Knuckles Chaotix. Or heck, the Master System...)

[The shoemaker]

sonic 3D is out???

[Angelic Lapras King]

sonic 3D is out???Yup. In Europe and Japan anyway...

[jackaroo]

sonic 3D is out???

Europe = Yes
America/Canada = No. I guess tommorow it will be out.

[Pocketim]

I've always wanted to try Knuckles Chaotix, is it any good?

[jackaroo]

I've always wanted to try Knuckles Chaotix, is it any good?

Its different and odd. I havent played too much of it but i will do if it gets a VC release. Its just weird being attached to another player. Especially when the CPU falls behind. It can get irritating.

[Angelic Lapras King]

I hope they release it. A lot of us don't want to buy a MD and a 32X and the game... ;_;

[SegaFan]

By the way, people have said before about how the Saturn version of Sonic 3D is better, for an interesting comparison to show you just how much better the Saturn version is, watch this..

A level on the Mega Drive/Genesis version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GxX2yLUHdo

The same level on the Saturn version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqC04Y7hjqU

You can really see the difference at 1:06 when the weather effects start up, and the wonderful soundtrack that the Saturn version has. It makes me want to play it now, wheras there's nothing that makes me want to play the Mega Drive version again.

About Knuckles Chaotix, the 32X is one Sega platform I haven't got so I would love to see it on VC, but then I want to get a 32X for my collection eventually so I'm not sure.

[dk_xcalibur]

I'm too old!:D

[jackaroo]

By the way, people have said before about how the Saturn version of Sonic 3D is better, for an interesting comparison to show you just how much better the Saturn version is, watch this..

A level on the Mega Drive/Genesis version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GxX2yLUHdo

The same level on the Saturn version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqC04Y7hjqU

You can really see the difference at 1:06 when the weather effects start up, and the wonderful soundtrack that the Saturn version has. It makes me want to play it now, wheras there's nothing that makes me want to play the Mega Drive version again.

About Knuckles Chaotix, the 32X is one Sega platform I haven't got so I would love to see it on VC, but then I want to get a 32X for my collection eventually so I'm not sure.

Ive seen the Saturn version loads before. When im older im gonna spend crap loads of money on retro games lol. And a saturn and 3D blast and Sonic Jam are gonna be on my list :D. Also a 32x and Knuckles Chaotix.

[ICEknight]

By the way, people have said before about how the Saturn version of Sonic 3D is better,
[...]
and the wonderful soundtrack that the Saturn version has.
I like the music in the MD version a lot better, honestly.

Some of it was later reused in Sonic Adventure, by the way.

[SegaFan]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the MD music was in any way bad (it's every bit as good as in the other Mega Drive Sonic games), just that the Saturn music was exceptional. Actually, the two soundtracks are too different to compare, they are good for different reasons.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Don't forget, the Saturn version had a different and better Special Stage (Even though its pretty much identical to Sonic 2's...)

[Pocketim]

Got Sonic 3 yesterday and got Sonic Heroes today, Sonic Heroes is awesome

[SegaFan]

I'd say Sonic Heroes is the most faithful, in presentation and feel, to the Mega Drive games out of all the 3D Sonic games. It also doesn't look bad, graphics-wise, it's a real step up from the previous 3D Sonics. I take it you've got the Gamecube version? Great soundtrack as well, very good level background music and 5 new songs from Crush 40.

That said, I was always disappointed that it wasn't more like the Sonic Adventure games, so for me it was the least enjoyable of the 3D Sonic games (out of SA1/2, SH and Shadow the Hedgehog, I've not played the PS3/360 game). But I still enjoyed it.

[ICEknight]

Sonic Heroes is a buggy and annoying mess of a Sonic game... Having to stop each two steps to battle some robots isn't my ideal for a Sonic game.

[jackaroo]

I did like sonic Heroes but now ive beat it i havent been back to it. You have to play through every level like 100 times to beat it with every team and get every emerald and after finishing the last story you feel its pointless to play again. Im glad they brought back Metal Sonic though. And the last story is the best part of the game.

[SegaFan]

I wouldn't call it a 'buggy and annoying mess', in fact I rate it as the best-presented of all the 3D Sonic titles (excluding next-gen of course). Its let-down was that the gameplay didn't work out quite as well as it looked on paper, it wasn't as fun as it could've been but nowhere near bad. And yes, collecting a certain number of items on linear levels is a terrible gameplay idea, that's something that Shadow the Hedgehog suffers with is well, but it didn't ruin either game. I never got 100% though, maybe I'll go back to it in the future.

[ICEknight]

I wouldn't call it a 'buggy and annoying mess', in fact I rate it as the best-presented of all the 3D Sonic titles (excluding next-gen of course). Its let-down was that the gameplay didn't work out quite as well as it looked on paper
Well, I didn't say the graphics don't look nice... But I'd rather be watching some 2D graphics if the gameplay isn't going to be as satisfying as in the old games (where you barely got any sense of annoyingness).




Also, SEGA, please stop using in-game lyrics or any voices at all, thx.

[Shortay]

Also, SEGA, please stop using in-game lyrics or any voices at all, thx.

Maybe they can give Nintendo a few of their ideas so we can have voice acting in Zelda and Mario games :)

[SegaFan]

Well, I didn't say the graphics don't look nice... But I'd rather be watching some 2D graphics if the gameplay isn't going to be as satisfying as in the old games (where you barely got any sense of annoyingness).

But 2D and 3D gameplay are completely different, it's impossible to compare the gameplay of a 2D Sonic with a 3D Sonic because they're practically a different genre, that's why Sega still continues to make both 2D and 3D Sonic games.

Also, SEGA, please stop using in-game lyrics or any voices at all, thx.
I agree the English voice acting is terrible but I think here that just because the voice acting is bad doesn't mean it shouldn't be there at all. The Japanese voice acting is a lot better, unfortunately in the Gamecube version of Sonic Heroes you don't get the choice to choose the Japanese voices (due to lack of space, apparently), you do in the Xbox version but the graphics on that are actually inferior so you lose out as well as gaining. If by lyrics you're referring to the in-game theme songs then they should stay, I might be in the minority but I love the music in the 3D Sonic games.

[jackaroo]

I might be in the minority but I love the music in the 3D Sonic games.

I love the music in 3D Sonic Games too. I like rock music so its sorta my thing. And also for some reason i like the english voices. I prefer Jap but i do like the english voices. There are a couple i dont like though (Tails your on my list :mad: lol).

[SegaFan]

I love the music in 3D Sonic Games too. I like rock music so its sorta my thing. And also for some reason i like the english voices. I prefer Jap but i do like the english voices. There are a couple i dont like though (Tails your on my list :mad: lol).
The English voices do have their moments, Dr Eggman always had very good voice acting but the actor that played him has now died, sadly (his last game was Sonic Heroes), and it's never been the same since. Shadow the Hedgehog had some decent voice acting, better than average for a Sonic game. Tails is probably what ruins it, and Amy. Yes and I've long been a fan of Crush 40, the band that performs a lot of the Sonic music, very good music.

[Pocketim]

The Gamecube Sonic Heroes runs at a incredible speed, the PS2 version has a terrible framerate. Sonic Heroes is really good, I like how they got rid of all of that Treasure Hunting and Shooting missions from Sonic Adventure 2.

[jackaroo]

The English voices do have their moments, Dr Eggman always had very good voice acting but the actor that played him has now died, sadly (his last game was Sonic Heroes), and it's never been the same since. Shadow the Hedgehog had some decent voice acting, better than average for a Sonic game. Tails is probably what ruins it, and Amy. Yes and I've long been a fan of Crush 40, the band that performs a lot of the Sonic music, very good music.

It is sad that the voice actor for eggman died after sonic heroes but TBH i really like the voice actor who does him now. He isnt that bad and has a good voice for eggman. And yes Tails & Amy ruin it all. I dont mind Jason Griffith (I think thats his name) is only alright as sonic but Ryan Drummond was the best for sonic. Also before in a post you said there was 5 Crush 40 songs in Sonic Heroes. Actually there was only 2. Sonic heroes theme and What im made of. All the others were done by other people.

[SegaFan]

Also before in a post you said there was 5 Crush 40 songs in Sonic Heroes. Actually there was only 2. Sonic heroes theme and What im made of. All the others were done by other people.
You're right, since all five songs were composed by Jun Senoue, I think, it slipped my mind that only two are technically Crush 40.

[The shoemaker]

I like the songs in the secret rings.

[Pocketim]

I like the songs in the secret rings.

They are okay, but I like the music in Sonic Heroes better

I'm up to the final boss on Secret Rings now and it is pure EVIL I can't even attack him twice

[The shoemaker]

I love the final boss it's so cool.

[jackaroo]

I like the songs in the secret rings.

Same here. I downloaded the soundtrack 2 days ago.

Also the final boss is pretty easy. You'll get the hang of it eventually.

[Pocketim]

Same here. I downloaded the soundtrack 2 days ago.

Also the final boss is pretty easy. You'll get the hang of it eventually.

And its good for a workout:D, Darkspine Sonic has terrible voice acting, I hate it:mad:

[jackaroo]

And its good for a workout:D, Darkspine Sonic has terrible voice acting, I hate it:mad:

He sounds like Jet the hawk from Sonic Riders. Oh yeah and thats one thing i find bad. That Jet and Sonic have nearly identical voices. At some points they sound identical. At others jet sounds slightly different. I know they are done by the same voice actor but he also does Shadow and if i didnt know Sonic & Shadow were done by the same voice actor i wouldnt have been able to tell.

[Pocketim]

Since we seem to be running out of things to talk about I will bring up a new topic, Sonic Adventure.

[jackaroo]

Since we seem to be running out of things to talk about I will bring up a new topic, Sonic Adventure.

Sonic Adventure 1 first time round was great. Then Sonic Adventure 2 came out and i only found 1 to be Ok. I still like it though and have played through it like 40 times lol.

Also ive decided im gonna see about buying a Sega Saturn off ebay with Sonic Jam and Sonic 3D Blast :D.

[Pocketim]

Also ive decided im gonna see about buying a Sega Saturn off ebay with Sonic Jam and Sonic 3D Blast :D.

Sonic jam looks like the closest there is to Sonic Xtreme (Thats why I wanna try it!:D)

[SegaFan]

Since we seem to be running out of things to talk about I will bring up a new topic, Sonic Adventure.
Best Sonic game ever, and one of the top 10 games ever made. I was late getting a Dreamcast, I have only been been a 'serious' gamer in the last 5 years or so and I never owned a Dreamcast until well after it had 'died'. But the day I got a Dreamcast and a copy of this game (and Jet Set Radio as well) changed my life. I'd read lots of negative things about SA though, the only reason why I bought it was because it was the only other Dreamcast game that Gamestation had in at the time, but after a while it clicked that it was actually a fantastic game and all that I'd read had been wrong! Every time I play it, and see that opening video again, it takes me right back to playing the Dreamcast for the first time, great memories.

Also ive decided im gonna see about buying a Sega Saturn off ebay with Sonic Jam and Sonic 3D Blast
Good, definitely worth owning a Saturn, though there isn't much Sonic on there.

[jackaroo]

Good, definitely worth owning a Saturn, though there isn't much Sonic on there.

Yea im excited to try Sonic Jam. Ive been trying to emulate that for far too long with no luck. But ive found a good price saturn and games on there. Im also curious about nights aswell so i will probably buy that. And im getting 3D blast since i enjoy the megadrive version, ive heard this is better plus full 3D sonic 2 style special stages :D.

[SegaFan]

Yea im excited to try Sonic Jam. Ive been trying to emulate that for far too long with no luck. But ive found a good price saturn and games on there. Im also curious about nights aswell so i will probably buy that. And im getting 3D blast since i enjoy the megadrive version, ive heard this is better plus full 3D sonic 2 style special stages
I posted a comparison for the two versions of Sonic 3D in this topic, it's post #58. The 3D section of Sonic Jam isn't huge so don't be disappointed, but worth seeing for Sonic fans, and then you've got great versions of Sonics 1-3, S&K plus full lock-on features, it's so much better than playing them on VC, and probably cheaper. NiGHTS is also a great game (be sure to get a copy with the 3D controller). There's lots of good stuff on Saturn, particularly if you can import since a lot of Japanese games never made it here.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Yeah, Jam's good for the hardcore Sonic fan. You get some neato vids and stuff and theres a time attack for the games, which means you can play any level you want on Sonic1+2 without cheating (Though you need to complete the level before unlocking it on time attack). Theres different difficults too.

Downside is there the odd glitch in places. For example, Sonic 2's invinceablity music is the same of Sonic 1's. o.o

[Pocketim]

Yeah, too bad that the Wii can't handle Saturn games on VC.

[jackaroo]

I posted a comparison for the two versions of Sonic 3D in this topic, it's post #58. The 3D section of Sonic Jam isn't huge so don't be disappointed, but worth seeing for Sonic fans, and then you've got great versions of Sonics 1-3, S&K plus full lock-on features, it's so much better than playing them on VC, and probably cheaper. NiGHTS is also a great game (be sure to get a copy with the 3D controller). There's lots of good stuff on Saturn, particularly if you can import since a lot of Japanese games never made it here.

At the moment im not gonna import. For now im sticking with a UK one since they are basically the only games i want at the moment. Oh an also Panzer Dragoon Saga. But no way am i paying £100-200 for it even if it is worth it lol. Also i know the 3D world isnt huge but the museums, time attack, mini 3D World missions and especially the in game Difficulties are enough to excite me. And thanks for the tip on getting nights with a 3D Controller. I didnt realize there was one and was gonna buy one without it.

[SegaFan]

At the moment im not gonna import. For now im sticking with a UK one since they are basically the only games i want at the moment. Oh an also Panzer Dragoon Saga. But no way am i paying £100-200 for it even if it is worth it lol.
You know you can play imports on a PAL system using an Action Replay cart, and there are other methods as well, you don't need an import console. Yes, Panzer Dragoon Saga, I payed about £90 for my copy, I know there are equally as good RPGs for a tenth of the cost but I'm still glad I bought it because it's a game I really wanted for a long time, and if I hadn't bought it I know I'd be sitting here now wishing I had it. But even if you don't get that (yet) I still highly recommend the first two Panzer Dragoon games on Saturn which are much more reasonably priced.

Oh and I don't know if you've seen Segata Sanshiro before, but if you're buying a Saturn you really should watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3lCF8O2N50 :D

[jackaroo]

You know you can play imports on a PAL system using an Action Replay cart, and there are other methods as well, you don't need an import console. Yes, Panzer Dragoon Saga, I payed about £90 for my copy, I know there are equally as good RPGs for a tenth of the cost but I'm still glad I bought it because it's a game I really wanted for a long time, and if I hadn't bought it I know I'd be sitting here now wishing I had it. But even if you don't get that (yet) I still highly recommend the first two Panzer Dragoon games on Saturn which are much more reasonably priced.

Oh and I don't know if you've seen Segata Sanshiro before, but if you're buying a Saturn you really should watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3lCF8O2N50 :D

LMAO! Awesome ads. BTW Ive bought my saturn now with Sonic Jam & 3D Blast. Came to £54.50 alltogether and Both Jam & 3D are boxed. Jam doesnt have a Manual though and the saturn isnt boxed. Anyway ill be able to play it on the 29th probably. Looking forward to it :D.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Ah, good. Got my Saturn a month ago. £20 with Jam, a demo disc and 2 controllers. Downside is I think it needs a new internal battery (Since it keeps asking me for the time and date whenever I play.). Anyone know what type of battery it is?

And I need that memory cart thing to save right?

[jackaroo]

Ah, good. Got my Saturn a month ago. £20 with Jam, a demo disc and 2 controllers. Downside is I think it needs a new internal battery (Since it keeps asking me for the time and date whenever I play.). Anyone know what type of battery it is?

And I need that memory cart thing to save right?

£20! Awesome. The saturn & Controller cost £30 for me. And both games about £13 but it was the cheapest i could find. Still im just glad to be getting it.

[SegaFan]

Ah, good. Got my Saturn a month ago. £20 with Jam, a demo disc and 2 controllers. Downside is I think it needs a new internal battery (Since it keeps asking me for the time and date whenever I play.). Anyone know what type of battery it is?

And I need that memory cart thing to save right?

It's a CR2032 Lithium battery, and it's very common for it to run out, but very easy to replace (there is a compartment at the back of the console which gives you access to it). It's a relatively common battery type which you can buy readily.

Once the battery is replaced you do not need a memory cart to save, you can save to the internal memory (which the battery powers) and you only need a memory cart when it is full. When you do need more memory, try to get an Action Replay cart instead of an official memory card since that makes the Saturn region free as well.

LMAO! Awesome ads. BTW Ive bought my saturn now with Sonic Jam & 3D Blast. Came to £54.50 alltogether and Both Jam & 3D are boxed. Jam doesnt have a Manual though and the saturn isnt boxed. Anyway ill be able to play it on the 29th probably. Looking forward to it
Good stuff, let us know what you think of it. Saturn boxes are terrible by the way, you will grow to hate them!

[Pocketim]

Is Sonic the Hedgehog Pocket Adventure good? Coz if it is good I may be temped to get a Neo-Geo Pocket Colour

[jackaroo]

Is Sonic the Hedgehog Pocket Adventure good? Coz if it is good I may be temped to get a Neo-Geo Pocket Colour

I think it is. But its a bit on the easy side. Ive only played through on emulation but its like a remake of sonic 2. All Sonic 2's levels with new layout, Some areas from Sonic 3K (Like in aquatic zone you drop into a hole which leads to hidden palace and you fight knuckles), Music from Sonic 2 & 3, Sonic 2's special stages (Woo although they are a little harder here at time IMO) and there is just one thing missing. Can you guess. It begins with Super Sonic and ends with In Actual Levels. Yeah thats right it uses the new formula of having super sonic fight in space. Although that level is just Doomsday Zone from S3K. Still its worth buying it. Its an awesome game with a few unlockables.

@ Segafan : When you said about the 3D controller with nights is that the same thing as the 3D Analog Controller? Or is the nights one different?

[SegaFan]

@ Segafan : When you said about the 3D controller with nights is that the same thing as the 3D Analog Controller? Or is the nights one different?
It's the same controller, it's sometimes called the NiGHTS controller because it came bundled with some copies of NiGHTS but it's the same thing.

[jackaroo]

It's the same controller, it's sometimes called the NiGHTS controller because it came bundled with some copies of NiGHTS but it's the same thing.

Gewd. Cause it works out cheaper buying them both seperate :). Just had to be sure it was the same thing before i go ahead and buy it.

[Pocketim]

I've always wanted to try NiGHTS, but that isn't Sonic so I won't go off topic;)

[jackaroo]

I've always wanted to try NiGHTS, but that isn't Sonic so I won't go off topic;)

Its made by Sonic Team. I think that counts lol.

[SegaFan]

I think it's good if you can play Saturn NiGHTS before the Wii version comes out, that way you don't risk spoiling the Saturn version.

It doesn't really count, Sonic Team/AM8 made lots of games that weren't Sonic (and lots of Sonic games weren't made by Sonic Team), but we've gone off topic before. ;)

[jackaroo]

I think it's good if you can play Saturn NiGHTS before the Wii version comes out, that way you don't risk spoiling the Saturn version.

It doesn't really count, Sonic Team/AM8 made lots of games that weren't Sonic (and lots of Sonic games weren't made by Sonic Team), but we've gone off topic before. ;)

Yeah thats why i wanna get Nights on Saturn. I heard lots of good things about it then i decided i might get the Wii version. But now ive got a saturn ill get the saturn version first. Ive only played Nights on Sega Superstars for PS2. And i didnt enjoy it that much cause of dodgy eye toy controls. Im sure the real game wont have them though :D.

[Pocketim]

Yeah thats why i wanna get Nights on Saturn. I heard lots of good things about it then i decided i might get the Wii version. But now ive got a saturn ill get the saturn version first. Ive only played Nights on Sega Superstars for PS2. And i didnt enjoy it that much cause of dodgy eye toy controls. Im sure the real game wont have them though :D.

I have Superstars too, I like the Billy Hacher and Monkey Ball games

[jackaroo]

I have Superstars too, I like the Billy Hacher and Monkey Ball games

I got it when it first came out and i only recently found out you could play as shadow in the Sonic game. I was happy bout that lol.
But anyway back to sonic.
Did you know that sega are working on another Real sonic game? By real i mean a platformer.

http://www.sonicstadium.org/sonicnews/358/

Also there is a Best Of Sonic The Hedgehog vocal tracks CD coming out aswell with Unreleased and Remixed tracks. Sounds goooood.

http://www.sonicstadium.org/sonicnews/365/

And Bioware have confirmed that the Sonic RPG is still in production and they plan on releasing some info soon :D

http://www.sonicstadium.org/sonicnews/364/

And finally Tectoy are releasing a portable machine with 18 megadrive titles on. Unfortunatly the only sonic games are Sonic & Knuckles and Dr Robotniks Mean Bean Machine. S&K just isnt the same without S3.

http://www.sonicstadium.org/sonicnews/362/

[SegaFan]

Also there is a Best Of Sonic The Hedgehog vocal tracks CD coming out aswell with Unreleased and Remixed tracks. Sounds goooood.
Sounds very good, I'd like to know if these are existing vocal tracks (of which there are only a few before Sonic Adventure) or classic Sonic tunes made into vocal tracks, it's quite unclear so far.

And Bioware have confirmed that the Sonic RPG is still in production and they plan on releasing some info soon
:D

And finally Tectoy are releasing a portable machine with 18 megadrive titles on. Unfortunatly the only sonic games are Sonic & Knuckles and Dr Robotniks Mean Bean Machine. S&K just isnt the same without S3.
I think these are a really good idea, I don't understand why it's getting such negative comments everywhere I look. 18 Mega Drive games in one nice neatly packaged handheld sounds great to me. I'd like to get it for my SEGA collection.

There is also the Playpal Portable which is loaded with 20 Master System and Game Gear games:
http://playpalworld.com/portable.html

[jackaroo]

I think they are existing tracks. But there are unreleased and remixed ones which should be cool.

:D : Agree

For me this collection just isnt for me. Ive got most of those games on Sega Megadrive collection on PS2 & PSP so ive got them on handheld. Id only truly get it for S&K but id rather wait and hope for a collection to be released containg S&K, S3 and any other sonic game to come out.

As for the gamegear and master system one i knew about that for a while but for me i like only the proper cartridges for game gear. And considering you can get them for like £2 on Ebay im not bothered about that much.

And MORE NEWS!!!!!!!!

Sonic Riders 2 Info. New Characters, Vehicles, Courses and Screens. Unfortunatly i cant view them at the moment. I keep getting the red X on them but i can wait :mad:.

http://www.sonicstadium.org/sonicnews/366/

EDIT : The PS2 screens seem to be working. And they look awesome.

[SegaFan]

As for the gamegear and master system one i knew about that for a while but for me i like only the proper cartridges for game gear. And considering you can get them for like £2 on Ebay im not bothered about that much.
Master System games are probably the cheapest of any system, most are £1-£2 in Gamestation, and you can play them on Game Gear with an adapter. BUT, you still can't beat the convenience of having them all built into one system and the battery life has got to be better than the Game Gear. That's why I'd want one, even though I've already got a good Master System collection. And since it's about £20 it would make a great budget handheld to anyone who doesn't want to spend too much. The Mega Drive one is probably a bit too expensive to be worth it unless it comes down in price.

[jackaroo]

Master System games are probably the cheapest of any system, most are £1-£2 in Gamestation, and you can play them on Game Gear with an adapter. BUT, you still can't beat the convenience of having them all built into one system and the battery life has got to be better than the Game Gear. That's why I'd want one, even though I've already got a good Master System collection. And since it's about £20 it would make a great budget handheld to anyone who doesn't want to spend too much. The Mega Drive one is probably a bit too expensive to be worth it unless it comes down in price.

That is true but still i enjoy having them on my actual game gear. Dunno why. Nostalgia i guess :D. I only got my Game Gear this year lol. My old one broke years ago and i never realised how much i loved the thing lol.

[SegaFan]

Just to bring to all your attention, Sega Europe have put up a very good new Sonic site yesterday. www.sonic-city.com

It is the European equivelent of Sega Japan's Sonic Channel, or Sega America's Sonic Central. It has information about most of the Sonic games that have been released, various flash games, and Sonic FM which lets you listen to various tracks from recent Sonic games (full versions as well, mostly). Worth a look.

That is true but still i enjoy having them on my actual game gear. Dunno why. Nostalgia i guess . I only got my Game Gear this year lol. My old one broke years ago and i never realised how much i loved the thing lol.
That's what I'm saying, but it's good to have both, the Game Gear/Master System versions for nostalgia and collectability, and the handheld for convenience (which, by the way, is proving incredably difficult to track down).

[The shoemaker]

I just played a little bit of shadow the hedgehog its pretty good.

[Pocketim]

Ahhhh... Back to the REAL Sonic! thread (Someone copied it and threw it on the Master System thread :mad: ) Anyway, I got the 7 Chaos Emeralds on Sonic 3D Blast, I was kinda dissapointed when I found out that this game had no Super Sonic, Oh well;)

[Ragnor]

Ahhhh... Back to the REAL Sonic! thread (Someone copied it and threw it on the Master System thread :mad: ) Anyway, I got the 7 Chaos Emeralds on Sonic 3D Blast, I was kinda dissapointed when I found out that this game had no Super Sonic, Oh well;)

I got all seven by Rusty Ruin. I like this game, especially the music, but urgh, no save feature really brings it down after Sonic 3.

[Pocketim]

I got all seven by Rusty Ruin. I like this game, especially the music, but urgh, no save feature really brings it down after Sonic 3.

Oh? Are you fairly new here? welcome! Nice to meet another one of the small handful of people who don't think Sonic is a pansy! (yes, Im looking at you, Spore!)

[jackaroo]

Ahhhh... Back to the REAL Sonic! thread (Someone copied it and threw it on the Master System thread :mad: ) Anyway, I got the 7 Chaos Emeralds on Sonic 3D Blast, I was kinda dissapointed when I found out that this game had no Super Sonic, Oh well;)

They didnt copy. They copied the title. But they just asked if there was a difference between Sonic 1 on GG and Sonic 1 MS.
Also i remember when i was younger a cheat went round for sonic 3D blast that said you can unlock super sonic. It wasnt true though. I spent alot of days trying to do that cheat.

[koolkitties]

I just played a little bit of shadow the hedgehog its pretty good.NO. NOOOOOOOOOOO. BAD SHOEMAKER! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!

Shadow the Hedgehog is fun when you get it, but it's novelty soon fades and the game's unplayability soon obvious.

[Pocketim]

Also i remember when i was younger a cheat went round for sonic 3D blast that said you can unlock super sonic. It wasnt true though. I spent alot of days trying to do that cheat.

Any cheats for playing as Tails? It says you can on the VC Reviews:confused:

[jackaroo]

Any cheats for playing as Tails? It says you can on the VC Reviews:confused:

No you cant. Its a sonic solo adventure. Tails & Knuckles just appear to activate bonus stages.

[Shortay]

Oh? Are you fairly new here? welcome! Nice to meet another one of the small handful of people who don't think Sonic is a pansy! (yes, Im looking at you, Spore!)

Spore is right Sonic is a grade A pansy.

[mixer152]

I'm really considering buying these games on VC now.
I have the GC Mega Collection but the Gamecube Pad is pretty shocking for 2d games (which is understandable)
So yeah for the use of Classic Controller and convenience, I'm gonna buy them.

[SegaFan]

I'm really considering buying these games on VC now.
I have the GC Mega Collection but the Gamecube Pad is pretty shocking for 2d games (which is understandable)
So yeah for the use of Classic Controller and convenience, I'm gonna buy them.
For all of the problems with the controller the games on Mega Collection are much better than on VC, which are in 50Hz. If you can find one of those Hori digital controllers for Gamecube, or something else with a better d-pad, that's the best bet.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Yeah, you can find some cheapish third-party Gamecube pads with different button layouts. Those can be pretty sweet.

[WiiGamer24]

I'm really considering buying these games on VC now.
I have the GC Mega Collection but the Gamecube Pad is pretty shocking for 2d games (which is understandable)
So yeah for the use of Classic Controller and convenience, I'm gonna buy them.Really? I've played Sonic Mega Collection to death, but I've never had any problems playing it with the Gamecube controller.

[Pocketim]

Really? I've played Sonic Mega Collection to death, but I've never had any problems playing it with the Gamecube controller.

I like to play 2D games with a D-Pad and since the D-Pad on the Gamecube controller sucks, I got the games on VC.
I am still wondering if I should get Sonic Spinball though

[mixer152]

I like to play 2D games with a D-Pad and since the D-Pad on the Gamecube controller sucks, I got the games on VC.
I am still wondering if I should get Sonic Spinball though

Yeah for real me too.
About Spinball, the only reason I got it was for nostalgia coz i loved it as a kid. Its a pretty mediocre game, so unless ur a diehard sonic fan I'd steer clear.

And I've heard about that Hori Controller but I cant find it anywhere, ive tryed ebay but they're always sold out :(

[SegaFan]

I am still wondering if I should get Sonic Spinball though
It's better than most pinball games but Alien/Devils Crush on Turbografx are slightly better.

[Pocketim]

I recently completed Sonic & the Secret Rings and I have to say, the ending is so cheesy! If you want to know what I mean I will type it in white text
Sonic wishes for a mountain of hankerchiefs :D

[mixer152]

I won that Hori GC controller now YES!! lol
Got it on Ebay for 29 99 from Sweden last week, should be here this week or next. The suspense is killing me.

Its perfect for megadrive games coz of the ABC button layout (which is a pain on the classic controller) combined with a DPad as good as the SNES and that is perfection.

[Yossarian]

I like Sonic Spinball. It's a little rough around the edges but it's still fun and the level design and bosses are good.

[Kreegs]

I like Sonic Spinball. It's a little rough around the edges but it's still fun and the level design and bosses are good.

I like it too. You are not the only one.

[kawaiipikachu]

I enjoyed my downloaded copy of Sonic Spinball .
I do agree with the idea that a D-pad is better for quicer 2d movement as compared to an analog stick .
While its upsetting that some viortual console games have the 50htz problem but still that its self doesn't stop me from downloading the games think of it $7.50 au for an 800 point games is pretty good .

[Atlantis1982]

I like it too. You are not the only one.

It was a day 1 purchase for me. Used to play that one to death, but never managed to get pass the final table.

[Kreegs]

I could never and have still never beaten the final table either. It is really hard! That gives me reason to keep playing it.

[Kobayashi]

There is no bad sonic games and the Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 (both genesis version) are masterpiece games !