Gunstar Heros vs Contra 3

[Bert]

Well, which do you guys think is better? Which has better co-op? Which is harder? Which is longer? Which one should I get and why? Thanks :).

[Mendez]

I've never played Gunstar Heroes, but you can take it from me Super Probotector is a brilliant game.
Why not check out my (great or not so great) review!
http://www.vc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=519

[Bert]

Thanks :). I saw your review before I posted this too. I am just so torn, I need a direct comparison from someone. You know if one person says one is good, and then another person says the other is good, how do I know which is better?

[Jazzem]

Both are excellent, but for me, Gunstar tips it.

It's the more fun out of the two, and definitely the more hectic! And although Probotector has some brilliant set pieces, Gunstar is the more imaginative game.

Wait for a few more opinions, but whilst I advise you get both, I'll vote for Gunstar Heroes as the better game :)

EDIT: Gunstar is probably the slightly longer game, although that's not by much. You have to remember these are games designed to be completed in one go, so neither are excellent for length. Probotector is trickier to finish because of its limited continues, and is probably the harder game, but Gunstar can get very nasty on the later difficulites. It's a blast though, and really rewarding.

Co-op wise? Uhh, Gunstar again, but only just. Am I a broken record? :P

[Bert]

I am leaning towards Gunstar Heros. Are they too similar to get both? Is one enough, or do I NEED both? Thanks for your guys's oppinions!

[Jazzem]

You don't NEED both. But then, you don't NEED video games when you think about it!

They're both of the same type of game, 2D run and gun, but there's enough to separate them as great games worth owning. If only one of this sort of game is enough for you, then just stick with Gunstar. Otherwise, I'd reccomend having the pair =]

[Mendez]

I'm actually thinking about downloading Gunstar Heroes tonight, but I won't be able to Air Zonk which also looks good.
Decisions are so frustrating when money comes into it!

[iNma]

I've said this before and I'll say it again: as brilliant as Contra III is, Gunstar Heroes just pips it for imagination and execution. Perhaps it's the fact that it's a newer game by a year or so, or the combinable weapons, or the fact that if you (like every good arcade gamer should) limit yourself to a set number of continues, it becomes at least as difficult as Contra. It simply has that slightly more controllable 'twitch factor' for me, where dodging a seemingly impossible pattern of bullets purely by instinct gives you a real adrenaline high. Contra III does the same, but not to the same extent.

Of course, if you're really serious about it, you should find a cheap copy of Metal Slug Anthology and buy that instead. As great as both these games are, Metal Slugs 1, 2, X and particularly 3 rank as some of the best games ever made and in my humble opinion outgun both of the above titles (pardon the pun) significantly, in graphics and design as well as pure gameplay.

[Tull]

Both makes me loose hair hehe

[link64]

Contra 3 easily although the only metal slug game I have played is 3 I think it easily beats both of these games.

[Spore]

Contra 3. I really just think Gunstar is annoying. Maybe because when I play with a fried he just throws me off ledges. I can't wait to get Contra Hard Corps... Anyway, my vote is Contra 3, it is much harder. I like that.

[1990tillnow]

Contra 3/Super Probotector, no doubt.

One of the first Snes games i fell in love with.

[link64]

I bought the PS2 version of Metal Slug Anthology last Friday and must say 1,2,X and 3 are far better than Contra or Gunstar Heroes the controls, the loading times are only a few seconds and it only £15

So its far better value than buying them on the virtual console.

[SKTTR]

My vote goes to Gunstar Heroes. The action is a bomb. I think there are about 20 bosses, most of which you'll only see when you replay the game.
Since I bought it in December I beat it once in a month. It's short but has some challenge in 4 different difficulty settings. But on "Easy" it really is easy. The co-op takes the fun to it's limit. Can't wait for Dynamite Headdy.

[VCnovice]

Both games are a blast to play albeit short, but I'll go with The Alien Wars.

Gunstar Heroes is a blast to play, but Contra III has just a little more substance and replay value for me.

[Bert]

I ended up buying Gunstar Heros. Thanks for your advise guys! I decided to get it because combining weapons looked interesting, and the game looked easier. I am not very good at old school games, so difficulty was a huge factor. I can't even beat the 5th level on Gunstar Heros on easy in co-op! :(. I might have to get Contra too though!

[Balrog]

Hey Bert, mind if I ask a question? And everyone else who posted here too?

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES AGAIN?

[link64]

Hey Bert, mind if I ask a question? And everyone else who posted here too?

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES AGAIN?

because he isn’t they are similar games its more like comparing 2 different types of apples.

[Balrog]

Hey Bert, mind if I ask a question? And everyone else who posted here too?

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES AGAIN?

because he isn’t they are similar games its more like comparing 2 different types of apples.

Or so you say. The only similarity is they are run and gun.

It's friggin amazing. They are uncomparable.

IF YOU EVER COMPARE GUNSTAR TO ANYTHING LET IT BE ALIEN SOLDIER. This would be Gunstar's Ikaruga: It's spiritual sequel.

[iNma]

Hey Bert, mind if I ask a question? And everyone else who posted here too?

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES AGAIN?

That's such a flawed argument I don't know where to start. Firstly, the games are about as similar in execution as two games can be. Delving into the minutiae and raising them as a reason not to be able to compare them is ignorant.

There was a similar argument about this a while back (http://www.vc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=418&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30). Look at my post towards the end of the page as to why you're wrong. At least there the argument was about 2 games 15 years apart whose genres were on separate sides of the spectrum. Here, we're comparing two run-and-gun games 1 year apart. So games should only be compared to their sequels, rendering every review of a game in a magazine that accompanies that review with a score irrelevant? Wtf? Eh? Apples and pears? Eh?

[Balrog]

Hey Bert, mind if I ask a question? And everyone else who posted here too?

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES AGAIN?

That's such a flawed argument I don't know where to start. Firstly, the games are about as similar in execution as two games can be. Delving into the minutiae and raising them as a reason not to be able to compare them is ignorant.

There was a similar argument about this a while back (http://www.vc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=418&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30). Look at my post towards the end of the page as to why you're wrong. At least there the argument was about 2 games 15 years apart whose genres were on separate sides of the spectrum. Here, we're comparing two run-and-gun games 1 year apart. So games should only be compared to their sequels? Ever? Wtf? Eh? Apples and pears? Eh?

What are you talking about, it's opinion. And besides, if that's true, it has got to be the strangest thing I have ever heard. How does Zelda II and F-Zero X compare beyond being video games made by Nintendo?

[link64]

Hey Bert, mind if I ask a question? And everyone else who posted here too?

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES AGAIN?

because he isn’t they are similar games its more like comparing 2 different types of apples.

Or so you say. The only similarity is they are run and gun.

It's friggin amazing. They are uncomparable.

IF YOU EVER COMPARE GUNSTAR TO ANYTHING LET IT BE ALIEN SOLDIER. This would be Gunstar's Ikaruga: It's spiritual sequel.

I think being in the same genre is enough to compare them.

Anyway isn’t alien soldier basically like a modern version of Golden Axe if so then its nothing like Gunstar Heroes.

I don’t think being able throw enemies or combine weapons is enough to say they cant be compared.

[link64]

Hey Bert, mind if I ask a question? And everyone else who posted here too?

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES AGAIN?

That's such a flawed argument I don't know where to start. Firstly, the games are about as similar in execution as two games can be. Delving into the minutiae and raising them as a reason not to be able to compare them is ignorant.

There was a similar argument about this a while back (http://www.vc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=418&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30). Look at my post towards the end of the page as to why you're wrong. At least there the argument was about 2 games 15 years apart whose genres were on separate sides of the spectrum. Here, we're comparing two run-and-gun games 1 year apart. So games should only be compared to their sequels? Ever? Wtf? Eh? Apples and pears? Eh?

What are you talking about, it's opinion. And besides, if that's true, can you compare Donkey Konga to Final Fantasy? If so, then how?

No because they are completely different.

[Balrog]

Alien Soldier, before Gunstar Super Heroes, was the closest thing to a sequel Gunstar ever had. Just like Ikaruga is the spiritual sequel to Radiant Silvergun, AS is to GH.

Oh wait just remembered, GSH can't really be called a sequel, except by storyline, even then it's VERY close. It's more of a remake.

[iNma]

What are you talking about, it's opinion. And besides, if that's true, can you compare Donkey Konga to Final Fantasy? If so, then how?

And there someone else goes with the "it's only an opinion" defense, which frankly is like a lame way of saying "I can't defend mine", so allow me to break it down for you.

Any game can be compared with any other against a series of criteria; is the game enjoyable, does it achieve what it sets out to, does it make best use of the hardware available to it etc. It is, in fact, very easy to compare games of different genres. If one game gets a score of 3/10 because it's an ambitious project that fails miserably in its execution, despite having spiffy graphics and being on the latest piece of hardware, it is worse than the game that executes a highly traditional gaming genre with polish and flair. Even so, here we're talking about 2 games, that take the exact same idea, and implement them slightly differently. There are probably no two games in the world where the apples and pears argument could be less valid if you tried!

Zelda: OoT is a better game than Donkey Konga. F-Zero X is a better game than Big Red Racing. Final Fantasy VII is a better game than Superman 64. Simple enough.

And I can almost bet my a*s you've never played Alien Soldier, which frankly, other than it's weapon system, is more similar to Contra III than GH.

The point is, don't make an inflammatory statement in capitals and then, in the face of repeated corrections, simply state that it's an opinion, it makes it look even more like you don't know what you're talking about.

[link64]

Ignore my comment about alien soldier being like Golden Axe I was getting confused with alien storm.

[Balrog]

What are you talking about, it's opinion. And besides, if that's true, can you compare Donkey Konga to Final Fantasy? If so, then how?

And there someone else goes with the "it's only an opinion" defense, which frankly is like a lame way of saying "I can't defend mine", so allow me to break it down for you.

Any game can be compared with any other against a series of criteria; is the game enjoyable, does it achieve what it sets out to, does it make best use of the hardware available to it etc. It is, in fact, very easy to compare games of different genres. If one game gets a score of 3/10 because it's an ambitious project that fails miserably in its execution, despite having spiffy graphics and being on the latest piece of hardware, it is worse than the game that executes a highly traditional gaming genre with polish and flair. Even so, here we're talking about 2 games, that take the exact same idea, and implement them slightly differently. There are probably no two games in the world where the apples and pears argument could be less valid if you tried!

Zelda: OoT is a better game than Donkey Konga. F-Zero X is a better game than Big Red Racing. Final Fantasy VII is a better game than Superman 64. Simple enough.

And I can almost bet my a*s you've never played Alien Soldier, which frankly, other than it's weapon system, is more similar to Contra III than GH.

The point is, don't make an inflammatory statement in capitals and then, in the face of repeated corrections, simply state that it's an opinion, it makes it look even more like you don't know what you're talking about.

1)You FOOL, it is just opinion and I cannot beleive someone actually took that seriously.
2)I understand that completely.
3)Yes it is simple enough
4)HOW MUCH YA WANNA BET.
5)THE point? Looks more like 5 of them, but that doesn't really matter. What matters is I understand, but you took it seriously.

If you can't compare GH and AS to Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga, you are a fool. I stick by that.

[link64]

What are you talking about, it's opinion. And besides, if that's true, can you compare Donkey Konga to Final Fantasy? If so, then how?

And there someone else goes with the "it's only an opinion" defense, which frankly is like a lame way of saying "I can't defend mine", so allow me to break it down for you.

Any game can be compared with any other against a series of criteria; is the game enjoyable, does it achieve what it sets out to, does it make best use of the hardware available to it etc. It is, in fact, very easy to compare games of different genres. If one game gets a score of 3/10 because it's an ambitious project that fails miserably in its execution, despite having spiffy graphics and being on the latest piece of hardware, it is worse than the game that executes a highly traditional gaming genre with polish and flair. Even so, here we're talking about 2 games, that take the exact same idea, and implement them slightly differently. There are probably no two games in the world where the apples and pears argument could be less valid if you tried!

Zelda: OoT is a better game than Donkey Konga. F-Zero X is a better game than Big Red Racing. Final Fantasy VII is a better game than Superman 64. Simple enough.

And I can almost bet my a*s you've never played Alien Soldier, which frankly, other than it's weapon system, is more similar to Contra III than GH.

The point is, don't make an inflammatory statement in capitals and then, in the face of repeated corrections, simply state that it's an opinion, it makes it look even more like you don't know what you're talking about.

1)You FOOL, it is just opinion and I cannot beleive someone actually took that seriously.
2)I understand that completely.
3)Yes it is simple enough
4)HOW MUCH YA WANNA BET.
5)THE point? Looks more like 5 of them, but that doesn't really matter. What matters is I understand, but you took it seriously.

If you can't compare GH and AS to Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga, you are a fool. I stick by that.

1)He never said you couldn’t compare Radiant Silvergun to Ikaruga.

2)don’t use the seriously argument it just reads like an excuse

3) if you don’t want to be taken seriously then we could just take everything you say as a joke.

[SKTTR]

comparing two games of the same genre. i see no problem in that.
everyone can talk about the good and bad things every game has to offer. yes, obviously a game from the same genre offers little different things one might just happen to like more or not. so let us compare them to show other people what they would like more.

like having an energy bar in gunstar heroes is for me an info that sounds much better than dying an instant death for 1 hit in super probotector.

please i'm not bashin your beloved super probotector. it's also gun'n'run, it's also co-op, it's also a ton of action, but with an instant death :D and i'm not a gunstar heroes superfan.

on that matter i also find Crying (bio-hazard battle) is the most beautiful shooter on the VC. its so different from all the others. like air zonk but even more.

[Balrog]

What are you talking about, it's opinion. And besides, if that's true, can you compare Donkey Konga to Final Fantasy? If so, then how?

And there someone else goes with the "it's only an opinion" defense, which frankly is like a lame way of saying "I can't defend mine", so allow me to break it down for you.

Any game can be compared with any other against a series of criteria; is the game enjoyable, does it achieve what it sets out to, does it make best use of the hardware available to it etc. It is, in fact, very easy to compare games of different genres. If one game gets a score of 3/10 because it's an ambitious project that fails miserably in its execution, despite having spiffy graphics and being on the latest piece of hardware, it is worse than the game that executes a highly traditional gaming genre with polish and flair. Even so, here we're talking about 2 games, that take the exact same idea, and implement them slightly differently. There are probably no two games in the world where the apples and pears argument could be less valid if you tried!

Zelda: OoT is a better game than Donkey Konga. F-Zero X is a better game than Big Red Racing. Final Fantasy VII is a better game than Superman 64. Simple enough.

And I can almost bet my a*s you've never played Alien Soldier, which frankly, other than it's weapon system, is more similar to Contra III than GH.

The point is, don't make an inflammatory statement in capitals and then, in the face of repeated corrections, simply state that it's an opinion, it makes it look even more like you don't know what you're talking about.

1)You FOOL, it is just opinion and I cannot beleive someone actually took that seriously.
2)I understand that completely.
3)Yes it is simple enough
4)HOW MUCH YA WANNA BET.
5)THE point? Looks more like 5 of them, but that doesn't really matter. What matters is I understand, but you took it seriously.

If you can't compare GH and AS to Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga, you are a fool. I stick by that.

1)He never said you couldn’t compare Radiant Silvergun to Ikaruga.

2)don’t use the seriously argument it just reads like an excuse

3) if you don’t want to be taken seriously then we could just take everything you say as a joke.

Horray for quote pyramids

1)Ha YES HE DID
2)Everything's an excuse.
3)Another fool that took that seriously.

Why is it that no one understands that whenever someone uses the apples and oranges comparison that it's their opinion and shouldn't be taken so friggin seriously?

[SKTTR]

eat the apples and oranges and play the games!

[Balrog]

eat the apples and oranges and play the games!

WHAT HE SAID.

[Bert]

They are both run and gun games. Both have similar controls. They are similar in some ways, so I wanted an oppinion of which was better. But you can compare apples and oranges. Example:

Me - "Hey Bob and Bill, what do you like better, apples or oranges?"

Bob - "I like apples better because they are crunchy, and they are red."

Bill - "I like oranges better because they are soft, and they are orange."

Neither is better than one another, it is all a matter of oppinion. I was asking for everyone's oppinion on the two games, and I got them. Things can be compared if they are different. If they were the exact same, how could you compare them? Besides the games are similar; this is a rediculous arguement.

Thanks for the help guys :). I am really enjoying Gunstar Heros, and I feel it was the better choice :).

[Balrog]

They are both run and gun games. Both have similar controls. They are similar in some ways, so I wanted an oppinion of which was better. But you can compare apples and oranges. Example:

Me - "Hey Bob and Bill, what do you like better, apples or oranges?"

Bob - "I like apples better because they are crunchy, and they are red."

Bill - "I like oranges better because they are soft, and they are orange."

Neither is better than one another, it is all a matter of oppinion. I was asking for everyone's oppinion on the two games, and I got them. Things can be compared if they are different. If they were the exact same, how could you compare them?

Thanks for the help guys :). I am really enjoying Gunstar Heros, and I feel it was the better choice :).

Bingo. Just... this post is win. This man won and started the thread. He deserves an internet.

[iNma]

1)Ha YES HE DID
2)Everything's an excuse.
3)Another fool that took that seriously.

Why is it that no one understands that whenever someone uses the apples and oranges comparison that it's their opinion and shouldn't be taken so friggin seriously?

As for the first point, I certainly said no such thing. Frankly, Your posts are becoming desperate attempts by someone to elevate themself by quoting opinions about things they have no clue about. It harkens right back to the other 100 posts you've made about games you've never played unless they fit on a 256MB memory stick (I know this because I have the PMs asking me to upload you the games you've not played...)

In the future I shall be taking your posts with a fistful of salt, because here you've not only demonstrated that you frankly know nothing, but also that you lack the ability to defend your opinions to even a perfunctory degree.

It's not that "no one understands that whenever someone uses the apples and oranges comparison that it's their opinion and shouldn't be taken so friggin seriously", it's that everyone here with even a modicum of intelligence leaves you reeling every time they answer your comments.

Look at your original post in a thread that was already dead:

Hey Bert, mind if I ask a question? And everyone else who posted here too?

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES AGAIN?

If that's not yelling that everyone is ignorant, I don't know what is. If you're going to do that, be prepared to defend your point, not yell "uuuuuhhh it's just my opinion, you're all fools". As I've said before on this forum to others; you're talking to the big boys now, act like it.