Bioshock

[flyingdutchman]

I have had this game reserved for like a month and a half and now I cant belive it is almost here. I heard that one gaming critic gave it a 95/100 but I cant seem to find the link... Have you guys seen the water effects in this game, wow is all I can say.

From what I have heard the game is going to be totally based on choice, there will be several differnt ways to go about the story and to kill your foes. I am patiently waiting for the 21st :roll:

[Makeda]

My mate downloaded the demo of it from Xbl today, you should check it out if you haven't already

[wychwood_drinker]

since its the spiritual successor to my fav game i really want it. but theres no way my pos laptop will run it. :(

[neuzd]

since its the spiritual successor to my fav game i really want it. but theres no way my pos laptop will run it. :(

This post was mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
: P

Really, I would have written the very same things!
Hopefully in a few months I'll be getting a new iMac (new ones have just been released!!!) and thanks to Boot Camp I'm finally gonna play games like Thief III and Bioshock!

[Pegasus]

... I'll be getting a new iMac ... I'm finally gonna play games like Thief III and Bioshock!

I hope you are aware that the graphic cards in the new ones still aren't anything special. Don't expect that great of a performance.

[flyingdutchman]

I have seen some pretty amazing reviews about this game so far, GI gave it a 10/10, I have never seen a perfect score from them.

Did you all hear that Toys R Us released the game to early and some people bought a copy and decided to sell it on E bay for 120 bucks :|

[Spore]

This game looks full on epic. I'm waiting 'till I've raised enough money for an Nvidia 8800 GTX graphics card. Then I can play that, along with Crisis and Unreal Tournament 3. How I love my PC.

[Dazza]

You know what, the hype machine totally passed me by on this one until today when I have had a few mates bang on about how great this game is! (even Damo who doesn't own a 360/powerful PC)

I downloaded the 360 demo and played it through. I have to say for someone who normally doesn't like the FPS genre I was blown away by this. The game has tons of atmosphere and is engrossing from the very start.

I will put my preorder with shopto.net in first thing in the morning! :p

[flyingdutchman]

This is great, at first I thought most people would not play this game and it would fly underneath the radar regardless of how good it is, but now I see more and more players reserving it and taking notice, cant wait for the 21st!

[DEMON212]

I have had this game reserved for like a month and a half and now I cant belive it is almost here. I heard that one gaming critic gave it a 95/100 but I cant seem to find the link... Have you guys seen the water effects in this game, wow is all I can say.

From what I have heard the game is going to be totally based on choice, there will be several differnt ways to go about the story and to kill your foes. I am patiently waiting for the 21st :roll:

Played the demo. Superb graphics. That's everything that can be said about it in the pro's column.

Everything else has been done a million times before in a much better way. This game is mediocre all around.

[neuzd]

Everything else has been done a million times before in a much better way. This game is mediocre all around.

I don't know the game. I don't have even seen the demo or the latest screenshots/movies.
But if this game brings even the smallest resemblance with System Shock gamplay, you probabally missed the point.

As I got it right, this game should be an FPS in the same way Metroid Prime is:
simply, not an FPS. First Person Something-else.

It's years that they talk us about it as a System Shock 2 spiritual successor, I'm expecting it to be at least a little similar in gameplay.
Anyway, I'd like to know which are the million games made like this, I always thought Deus Ex was the only similar title in some way, the system was scaled down a lot, but the game was amazing and a lot more playable than SS2.
Isn't that are you judging it a bit too early? Ok, it sounds a joke from one that even didn't see the demo, but if there's non-linearity as in previous games, and you can use dozen of different ways to overcome an obstacle, I think they succeded in making the right game. Probably it's something that shows its full potential after hours of playing and you just couldn't notice it.

[DEMON212]

I don't know the game. I don't have even seen the demo or the latest screenshots/movies.
But if this game brings even the smallest resemblance with System Shock gamplay, you probabally missed the point.

As I got it right, this game should be an FPS in the same way Metroid Prime is:
simply, not an FPS. First Person Something-else.

It's years that they talk us about it as a System Shock 2 spiritual successor, I'm expecting it to be at least a little similar in gameplay.
Anyway, I'd like to know which are the million games made like this, I always thought Deus Ex was the only similar title in some way, the system was scaled down a lot, but the game was amazing and a lot more playable than SS2.
Isn't that are you judging it a bit too early? Ok, it sounds a joke from one that even didn't see the demo, but if there's non-linearity as in previous games, and you can use dozen of different ways to overcome an obstacle, I think they succeded in making the right game. Probably it's something that shows its full potential after hours of playing and you just couldn't notice it.

They're aren't many like this. What I meant was, it seems to take the best parts of all the best games, but doesn't do them anywhere near as good as they've done before.

[Spore]

Pretty much every review for this game is either a 10 or a 9.5. Lookin' good.

[DEMON212]

Pretty much every review for this game is either a 10 or a 9.5. Lookin' good.

Same could be said about Halo, but I know many people who strongly dissagree with those scores.

Reviews mean nothing. A review should tell you about the game, it shouldn't score it. People have opinions, and they're supposed to be used for yourself. Not to say catorgorically that it rocks/sucks. Because once you score something, that's exactly what you've done. And opinions aren't fact.

[iNma]

Same could be said about Halo, but I know many people who strongly dissagree with those scores.

Reviews mean nothing. A review should tell you about the game, it shouldn't score it. People have opinions, and they're supposed to be used for yourself. Not to say catorgorically that it rocks/sucks. Because once you score something, that's exactly what you've done. And opinions aren't fact.

If that's not missing the point of a review, I don't know what is. A review should in fact, by definition, score a game, whether that be through a verbal assessment of its merits or a simplified score to gander how it compares to other games.

And as far as listening to opinions goes, I think it still escapes you that you're in the utter minority pretty much all the time about these things. And perhaps more to the point, you're saying a game is poor even before it's come out (with the broadest justification possible), which by itself renders your opinion moot.

I would give a diatribe as to why you're missing the point here, but neuzd already did it better than I could; ergo, what neuzd said.

[SKTTR]

i played the bioshock demo and it turned out to be a wonderful game all in all.

audiovisual it's just a bomb.
presentation is first class.
atmosphere is lovely.
story got me interested.

what i don't like:

why do the people gonna attack you always? is it all about psychos?
i hope you can talk to them in the final version.

why do you have to inject plasmids that are lying around in the corners?
and why do the enemies don't inject these destructing drugs themselves?

[DEMON212]

If that's not missing the point of a review, I don't know what is. A review should in fact, by definition, score a game, whether that be through a verbal assessment of its merits or a simplified score to gander how it compares to other games.

And as far as listening to opinions goes, I think it still escapes you that you're in the utter minority pretty much all the time about these things. And perhaps more to the point, you're saying a game is poor even before it's come out (with the broadest justification possible), which by itself renders your opinion moot.

I would give a diatribe as to why you're missing the point here, but neuzd already did it better than I could; ergo, what neuzd said.

How does me saying that the demo is bad, differ to you saying that the game is good?

I've at least played the demo, you lot can't have played the game.

I said...

Played the demo. Superb graphics. That's everything that can be said about it in the pro's column.

Everything else has been done a million times before in a much better way. This game is mediocre all around.

Now I can see where you got that I was judging the game from, because I said "game" (But since I was on about the demo I thought people would know what I meant. Obviously not) but I wasn't judging it, as I haven't played it. I was rating the demo stating that if the demo portrayed the game truthfully, then it was gonna be same old same old.

So I apologise, for not making myself clear.

Yes, that may be the point of a review, but by reading reviews for the score, you're just following the opinion of someone else. I'm saying that that's not what reviews should be for.

A review should tell you unbiasedly what the game is about, what it plays like etc...

Saying "The music is horrible" is opinion. People like different music. I hate Country I'd rate it 1-10, does that make Country music bad? No.

Try it before you rave about it. Don't say that it's great because the reviews say so. Because the game isn't even out yet, so everyone knows you're just jumping on the band wagon.

And I would like to also add, that a guy dislikes a few games and all of a sudden he's "in the utter minority pretty much all the time about these things."

How do you know? You haven't asked me about every game I like or dislike and you haven't asked me about popular games.

You just obsess about the games I dislike. Making it into something it's not.

I don't like Mario 64. So what?

I love Banjo Kazooie/Tooie. I love Perfect Dark 64. I love OOT and like MM. List me the top 20 NES, SNES, N64, X-BOX, AMIGA etc... etc... etc... games and I'd like to bet that I like the majority of them. Until it comes to the NGC and then I doubt the 25 games that I liked would be in the top 20.

If you really want to take the time to find out what games I do like, then I will entertain you. Rather than obsessing about the odd pop game I dislike, why don't you obsess about the "For every one I dislike there's 20 I do like" factor?

And I know that that reads really badly, but I honestly don't know a better way to word it. Also, you probably already know this but I am not in any way shape or form having a go at you.

[DEMON212]

The other day, my BM of 16 and a half years came over and played the demo. Afterwards, he said the same as I "If the game plays like that, then I fail to see why it's getting such stellar reviews. Might buy it when it drops in price".

Well, yesterday he had to get something exchanged and bought it on a whim, as he was desperate for something to play.

Earlier on today I recieved a message saying "The demo does not do this game justice at all mate. It's brilliant! You've gotta buy it".

So tomorrow, I'm off to GS :D

He knows more than anyone what I will and won't like, so if he tells me to buy it, them I'm gonna give it a shot.

[Dazza]

You are hard work demon! lol

I have been playing bioshock for the last few days and I am loving it. I normally hate FPS genre but this just clicks for me. It's a treat to look at and the storyline is really engaging. There are some bits that can really make you jump out of your skin as well.

A strong 9/10 for me so far (if I am allowed to score it!! :p)

[DEMON212]

You are hard work demon! lol

I have been playing bioshock for the last few days and I am loving it. I normally hate FPS genre but this just clicks for me. It's a treat to look at and the storyline is really engaging. There are some bits that can really make you jump out of your skin as well.

A strong 9/10 for me so far (if I am allowed to score it!! :p)

How am I hard work? I played a demo and disliked it. If you disliked the demo of something, would you rush out to buy it?

[Dazza]

How am I hard work? I played a demo and disliked it. If you disliked the demo of something, would you rush out to buy it?

I must admit I was sold on the demo alone but 10 out of 10 reviewers can't be wrong can they? You seem to make your mind up very quickly before dismissing stuff.

Go on give it a go, some big daddy loving won't hurt you will it? ;)

[DEMON212]

I must admit I was sold on the demo alone but 10 out of 10 reviewers can't be wrong can they? You seem to make your mind up very quickly before dismissing stuff.

Go on give it a go, some big daddy loving won't hurt you will it? ;)

Yes, they can. Reviews are people's opinions and I don't goto fifty plus sites daily to find out how close someone's opinions are to my own. Which is why I never trust a review from IGN or anything like that (However, if I read something that I also thought, it makes me keep it in mind. Like when I played the Heavenly Sword demo, I said it was a medi ocre God Of War with tedious simplistic combat. And IGN said the exact same thing in there review).

Here, I come and read the reviews all the time and I know how close your opinion and Damo's is to my own. But even then, there have been times where I've dissagreed. I mean Moto Roader immediatley springs to mind. You guys gave it a 3 and I hate it. It looked fun but I find it abysmal.

So while you were raving about Bio, you'd only just started playing it, and you said yourself that you're not usually an FPS fan, whereas FPS is my fav genre. So I was taking into account everything you guys here were saying, and having also played the demo, I decided it wasn't worth a £40 risk. But when it dropped in price, I'd give it a go.

But then when my BM who's grown up playing games with me. And I mean grown up playing games. We were always playing games with each other. ZAMN round mine and SOR round his or Mario Kart and Sonic or etc... So we know what we like and why.

Anyway, when he also hates the demo for the same reasons as myself, only to then buy the game and rave about it. It makes me sit up and take notice.

[Jonno]

I am absolutely nuts about the commercial just because of that I'll Go Sailin' song in the background. The graphics look great; though I have never seen a video yet. GameTrailers a-go-go for me!

[Spore]

I played the demo. Wow. Buying now.

[Makeda]

Bioshock = class. Easily one of the best games to come out in recent years by far.

Also: Demon, opinions are one thing.. but to flat out fail to see just why this game is among the pinnacle of games is hilriously random in itself epically when you say that FPS is your preferred gaming genre... that just shocks and confuses me.

[DEMON212]

Bioshock = class. Easily one of the best games to come out in recent years by far.

Also: Demon, opinions are one thing.. but to flat out fail to see just why this game is among the pinnacle of games is hilriously random in itself epically when you say that FPS is your preferred gaming genre... that just shocks and confuses me.

So hang on, Bio has stolen all the best bits from all the best games, dumbed them down, and all of a sudden it's the pinnacle FPS?

That's like stealing all the best Murphy jokes, Rock jokes, Pryor jokes etc... Then doing an "original" stand up with them where you mess up most of the punchlines and having it called "The pinnacle of stand ups".

Hey, suck my kryptonite book!

See "Raw" and "Bring The Pain" to find out what 2 jokes they are.

[Makeda]

Here's a challenge: Instead of spouting off that Bioshock has stolen this and that from other games give me a DIRECT example of where it has stolen anything from and "dumbed it down" After all, its easy to sit down and criticise it and think your unique because the whole world sees something that your not seeing for no valid reason at all.

[neuzd]

..and all of a sudden it's the pinnacle FPS?


I didn't read that.

.. but to flat out fail to see just why this game is among the pinnacle of games

It isn't the first time that I spot you putting sentences in other people's mouth to make your statements stronger.
Once you had the the good taste of editing your post and removing that sentence before someone could say anything.

I'm not posting anymore in this thread because of your totally blinded position.
The studio that developed Bioshock 2K is the former Irrational Games. The same that did System Shock....hell, they're not stealing anything, they did these things for first. And no game except for Deus-Ex ever succeeded in recreating that type of gameplay.

[DEMON212]

Here's a challenge: Instead of spouting off that Bioshock has stolen this and that from other games give me a DIRECT example of where it has stolen anything from and "dumbed it down" After all, its easy to sit down and criticise it and think your unique because the whole world sees something that your not seeing for no valid reason at all.

Force powers in Star Wars games/Magic powers in RPG's like Elder. Shooting sections like Condemned (Lil ammo and terrible weapons). Hand to hand like Condemned/Half Life etc...

Now why don't you tell me what makes Bio so ground breaking, without quoting someone else.

Tell me if it's its pysics and why, how its engine differs and why it'll be used as much as the Unreal 3 engine (Which is probably Bio's anyway), tell me why its controls are so amazing, its gameplay in general etc...

And if you avoid this calling me an idiot who doesn't deserve your answer, everyone here will know you've lost the argument for them.

[DEMON212]

I didn't read that.



It isn't the first time that I spot you putting sentences in other people's mouth to make your statements stronger.
Once you had the the good taste of editing your post and removing that sentence before someone could say anything.

I'm not posting anymore in this thread because of your totally blinded position.
The studio that developed Bioshock 2K is the former Irrational Games. The same that did System Shock....hell, they're not stealing anything, they did these things for first. And no game except for Deus-Ex ever succeeded in recreating that type of gameplay.

I edit my posts because when I read them, I fear they'll read differently to others. So sometimes I just scrap my post all together as it's not worth the hassle I fear it will cause.

It's part of Aspergers to interperert (SP) things differently. Have you never done that before while learning English?

So therefore, you'll never be found editing things in your posts for similar reasons?

I will sometimes redo my post 4 times before I actually post it. And even then I will have to go back to change something.

Also, because almost all of my posts are done on the Wii, mistakes are common.

Apologies for not being perfect. Few of us are.

[DEMON212]

Got it. Played it for an hour and a bit. It crashed (No surprise there. Every graphical power house on the 360 seem to be prone to crashing) and I'm now debating with myself, whether or not I should redo the last 40 mins.

I wanted to vs a Big Daddy before I returned it, but now I don't know if it's worth replaying 40 mins of a game I don't like.

The game is actually worse than the demo. And for a game that's supposed to change with every action, everything that happened to me in the demo, every conversation I heard, every action that took place, happened in the game just like it did in the demo.

No matter how good or bad, fast or slow I am, everything always happens the same.

I could spend an hour typing its faults, but I really can't be bothered to do so. Because you're all convinced I'm talking bull anyway. You probably don't even think I bought the game and I'm making it all up.

All I know is, I don't like it and I don't care what you say. To me, it's a bad game, simple as. Deal with it.

[Makeda]

Force powers in Star Wars games/Magic powers in RPG's like Elder. Shooting sections like Condemned (Lil ammo and terrible weapons). Hand to hand like Condemned/Half Life etc...

Point 1. Star Wars: OK, in the original universe of Star Wars that Lucas created (before Bioware came into play) the abilities on display by the force wielding characters were minimal, you had the lightening cackle and basic telekinesis movement not to mention the mind control. Besides that you were pretty much normal. Now in KOTOR Bioware gave the game some nice features that explored the what if factor of the force, However.. they didn't create Enrage abilities, super whirlwinds or incineration like you'll find in Bioshock. Oh and Elder Scrolls.. magic in RPGS? LOL weak ass example. That's basically like saying every game is a Final Fantasy one inferior because it features elemental spells.

Point 2. Hand to hand and Wep comments: Commended was a fairly decent game with some nice combat.. but in reality that's ALL it was, its story was fairly unremarkable and felt all too familiar. However, besides the wrench.. the weaponry is nothing like that game at all. Too little ammo? take it SOMEONE sucked hard when they played the actual game.. or wasn't that good at the demo because I for one in the demo was never out of ammo or indeed in the final game found myself getting too little ammunition for my guns. And HL2 references does exist in the game, however.. I fail to see how its ripping off the game when every game has a little bit of something that made another fin in it. The difference between this and a mediocre title is the way in which Bioshock takes that familiar Wrench we saw in Prey and uses it to a much greater effect thanks to the handy psychic abilities such as freeze and the "One two punch" of the Electric shock combo.

Tell me if it's its pysics and why, how its engine differs and why it'll be used as much as the Unreal 3 engine (Which is probably Bio's anyway), tell me why its controls are so amazing, its gameplay in general etc...Physics wise its a pretty tight game that uses the Unreal 3 Engine to great effect with the smoothness of the game and the superior optimisation that the game has over ANY other PC game to date (that looks this good)

Oh, and why the unreal engine will be used heavily in the coming years? If your asking this then your seriously out of the loop with ground breaking technology and you should stick to playing Virtual Console games and leave the future of the industry in the hands of those who actually understand the hardcore side of today's market, as your wasting my time discussing the virtues of this game to you.



NEXT BIG STORY (on September 25th): DEMON Hates Crysis:

"Labels it as unoriginal and done before examples such as Star Wars and Predator. Also, its coded dreadfully!!1 :( I cant run it on a Geforce FX 5500 and 128mb of Ram!!1 Give me Goldeneye anyday " :rolleyes:

[DEMON212]

Post's to big to quote on the Wii.

Ammo.

I ran out quickly in the demo, but there's tons in the game.

Unreal.

I said if Bio was using a new engine. The Unreal engine is phenominal!

Final Fantasy.

Some are inferiour because they don't do the gameplay as well, just like Bio.

If I electrcute people then jump in the water with them, I don't appear to get hurt. Probably because I'm running with electricity through my body.

So why after getting the inferno, does fire hurt?

Also on the point of the inferno. How come I can set one pool of gasoline on fire multiple times?

Not very realistic that.

Condemned.

Well, the H2H weapons were the only ones worth using in Condemned. And in Bio too. Everytime I equip a gun I get the crap kicked out of me. But if I take the splicers on with my wrench, even if they've got grenades, i'm fine.

Speaking of grenades. I backed that guy in a corner and had 5 grenades blew up in his hand. Neither of us got hurt.

Prey.

Yes, Bio's H2H is better than Prey. But the powers stink.

I was standing right next to a splicer, used my inferno and it went straight through her leg unharming her.

I tried to snipe one with electricity, it went straight through his chest, hit a box and he looked over at the box thinking I was there.

Goldeneye.

Both the film and game are boring.

Crysis.

Don't have a gaming P.C.

Next please, I don't mind debating things like this, I just hate opinion battles.

[DEMON212]

Oh, one other thing. Why does Rapture, a place of peace and harmony, have an ammo vending machine?

Why did they allow weapons to be brought into a eutopia? More to the point, why did they then create new more dangerous weapons/ammo?

Electric shotgun shells anyone?

[DEMON212]

Just found this. It's the best review of anything ever!

The guy's name is "Mr Cynic" and he's brill. Agree 100%. I haven't posted a link to his site, because I don't know if it's forum appropriote yet. I'll have to check it out a bit more first, because he's only one part of the site, so no idea what goes on elsewhere on the site.


Have Wrench, Will Travel

At first I was getting in to the whole idea of finding different weapons and modifying them until it eventually dawned on me that I was wasting my time. The wrench is simply more effective at dealing out death than any other weapon in the game, more so if you pump up your wrench buffs. Considering the mutated mobs in BioShock relish running around like the cast of Cirque du Soleil, they make for hard targets to hit when using a projectile weapon but they fold like a cheap suit when hit with a plumbing tool. You could, if you wanted, run through the entire game with nothing more than a wrench. It's superior at taking out turrets, bashing in security cameras and caving in craniums, more so than any shotgun, crossbow, pistol, rocket or grenade launcher. If only the main character looked like Mario then the circle would be complete.

Welcome to Paradise, Here's Your Weapon

So Ayn Rand, oops, Andrew Ryan creates an underwater utopia for the great minds of earth to call home and for some inexplicable reason outfits every room with a vending machine the sells ammunition. Does no one else besides me find that a rather idiotic concept? This is supposed to be paradise, a safe-haven, and yet everyone is armed? What happened to just selling mini-bags of Cheetos and bite-sized Snickers that should invariably get caught on a metal spring during its descent to the tray? Do I even need to mention that it probably isn't wise to arm your populace with rocket launchers and grenades in an UNDERWATER world, let alone shower them with infinite amounts of ammunition.? These ideas come from the great minds of humanity?

Glorified Disneyland Ride

BioShock is a very linear game, more than Mr. Cynic enjoys, with huge amounts of hand-holding that ultimately make it noob friendly, but a rather simplistic adventure game for veterans. I mean, they even use an arrow that always points you in the right direction, rendering the sense of exploration and the possibility of getting lost a moot point. Worse, BioShock just feels like a Disneyland ride, something like Twilight Zone and Haunted Mansion rolled in to one. Every room reveals a new set-piece where a story is told through prop placement, though at least you can hop off the ride and roam around a bit. While I do admire the artistic merit of what BioShock has accomplished, I can't help but feel the game is just an excuse to show off sets.

BioShock is a Midget Simulator

Yes, I said “midget”, cause if I said “dwarf” you might think I'm talking about Lord of the Rings, and Mr. Cynic doesn't use the term “little person”, as I'm neither political nor correct. I'm sticking with midget. I must give BioShock credit for making your character a midget, though I'm noticing a lot of FPS games lately have been doing the same thing, no doubt the result of a powerful midget lobbying group trying to get equal time in the industry. I mean, is it just me or do you feel 3' tall in this game? I've lost track of how many times I've checked to see if I'm still in crouch-mode only to discover that, no, I'm standing fully erect, I'm just 3' tall. It really hits home when you reach the Arcadia zone and you see a slot machine towering over you and you'd literally have to trampoline upwards just to grab the arm. Either that or the citizens of Rapture average about 9' in height.

Contradictory Gameplay

The biggest problem with BioShock is that dying has no impact on the game whatsoever, and this renders the “survival” aspect pointless. At first you might find yourself buying in to the concept that there's a finite amount of ammo and health to be found in Rapture so you had better plan your engagements wisely, lest you run out of one or the other. Unfortunately, if you happen to die then you'll just be reborn at a Vita-Chamber and whatever killed you will continue to lurk about with reduced health, meaning all you have to do is run back and continue wailing on it with your wrench without even bothering with a weapon or using health packs. Why spend precious health packs or use rockets when you can bash in a Big Daddy after three or four attempts with zero penalty? This totally obliterates the feel BioShock was going for. Do I even need to wonder why only your character is reborn at a Vita-Chamber, but the countless masses you slaughter in this game don't seem to have the same luxury?

Yeah, yeah, yeah...BioShock looks amazing. It's an artistic achievement. It has good acting...some good writing. But it's no revolution for gameplay and in many respects, a leap backwards, thanks to a few ill-conceived and nonsensical concepts that render the entire experience shallow and simple. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go play a real man's game: Space Giraffe!