Best Final Fantasy Ever!

[Silent Somnographer]

Mystic Quest!!!

Enough said. :wink:

[kelvingreen]

If you say so. I don't think I've ever played it myself.

[link64]

Mystic Quest!!!

Enough said. :wink:

You’re joking right.

[iNma]

Mystic Quest!!!

Enough said. :wink:

Please tell me this is a joke

[Silent Somnographer]

I'm only joking when I'm not serious. :lol:

[SMBSSfan]

Final Fantasy 6 nuff said

[iNma]

Final Fantasy 6 nuff said

Hear, hear.

[Silent Somnographer]

Final Fantasy 6 nuff said

No argument here.

[Kevin]

Final Fantasy 6 nuff said

No argument here.

Copy that. I'm enjoying Final Fantasy VI Advance on my DS Lite very much. :)

[Acunia]

Final Fantasy IV is my absolute favorite of the series :P, im not saying its the best, its just "my" favorite

which is why i went bannans when i saw this

http://kotaku.com/gaming/not-final/rumor-final-fantasy-iv-to-get-ds-remake-258883.php

DS! xD

[iNma]

Final Fantasy IV is my absolute favorite of the series :P, im not saying its the best, its just "my" favorite

which is why i went bannans when i saw this

http://kotaku.com/gaming/not-final/rumor-final-fantasy-iv-to-get-ds-remake-258883.php

DS! xD

I'd hate to see what this did to you then: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/09/final-fantasy-iv-getting-the-3d-treatment/

Not a rumour any more. A little bit of wee (wii?) came out when I saw it. A little.

[Acunia]

this is awesome, they even kept the chibi style (like in FF III)
graphics look ok in those screens

the mag scan, for those who are lazy
http://www.jeux-france.com/images0_4_20124.html :P

[Kevin]

Final Fantasy IV is my absolute favorite of the series :P, im not saying its the best, its just "my" favorite

which is why i went bannans when i saw this

http://kotaku.com/gaming/not-final/rumor-final-fantasy-iv-to-get-ds-remake-258883.php

DS! xD

That game's awesome too! I especially loved the fact that up to five characters fought in the battles in that game.

[SMBSSfan]

wow, Square-Enix and Nintendo must really want our money. I mean why remake FF4 again? I think it looks very cool for DS, but I'm not going to get it.

[Kevin]

wow, Square-Enix and Nintendo must really want our money. I mean why remake FF4 again? I think it looks very cool for DS, but I'm not going to get it.

Although I enjoyed, the fourth Final Fantasy, I won't be gettin it for the DS. I rarely play it anymore because I play games on my Wii now 95% of the time.

[kelvingreen]

wow, Square-Enix and Nintendo must really want our money.
I hope they do want our money a lot, because that might lead them to re-release the games again, only this time on VC. :wink:

[Jakurdo]

I think that the FF won't be coming to the VC for a long long time, perhaps they will never be released on the VC. And that just because SE is making way too much money releasing them on the GBA and even before they hit the GBA announcing that it will be ported to the DS too (in 3D). SE would just be stupid to put them up for the VC when they can sell it for way much more on the GBA/DS.

[Joxe]

Why not both?

On later days Sqeenix have about 226 FF games in development at the same time and people is constantly buying these releases. Money to make, I don't think that Sqeenix will stand by and look.

[Jakurdo]

I think that making the game available on the VC will hurt the DS/GBA port sales.

But anyway, how does SE make money by putting their games on the VC? I can imagine that they sell the rights to publish it and that would be it. Since only Nintendo can make money straight away from the VC by selling Wii points...

[Kevin]

I think that making the game available on the VC will hurt the DS/GBA port sales.

But anyway, how does SE make money by putting their games on the VC? I can imagine that they sell the rights to publish it and that would be it. Since only Nintendo can make money straight away from the VC by selling Wii points...

Yeah, as long as the Final Fantasy ports are still findable at retailers, we won't be seeing any Final Fantasy games on the VC.

[Dungeon Man]

Square can have my money. I'll be first in line for FFIV DS and I just finished it a couple weeks ago for the GBA. While I'm typically not into the whole 3D thing and prefer sprite-based gaming, I thought FFIII DS was terrific, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the FFIV remake. I'm also a big fan of Uematsu's music and am anxious to hear how the soundtrack will be arranged for the new game.

Having grown up with FFIII(6) though, I'm sort of sad we won't see it on the VC anytime soon if ever. The GBA version is awesome, but the true experience can really only be had on the big screen and the original soundtrack. The battery in my FF3 cart will be dead very soon and it'd be nice to have it on the VC to enjoy again. :(

[facownage]

is that a question?

FF 7 = best

[crops55]

I'm sure I'll get stoned to death for this but FF10 was my favorite. However, it is definitely not the best. I pick ten because the combat and upgrade system was very refined and efficient to use. It opened up so many doors for strategic elements. And when you have to use the combat system for a million kajillion random battles I find that to be a key ingredient for a fun FF game. I can do without the voice acting tho, bleh. Just because he looks like hes ten doesnt mean he needs to sound like it too.

[shrapnel]

you know in all honesty i have never played, nor seen anyone play a final fantasy game in my life, and I'm 21. In which case i would be looking forward to such action on the VC, however i think there was some kind of press release stating how square was not interested in re-releasing the series on VC... sigh. :(

[Kevin]

you know in all honesty i have never played, nor seen anyone play a final fantasy game in my life, and I'm 21. In which case i would be looking forward to such action on the VC, however i think there was some kind of press release stating how square was not interested in re-releasing the series on VC... sigh. :(

:shock: *faints*

[Dark Warrior]

For me, Final Fantasy VIII was the best. Amazing gameplay, and the best story I´ve ever seen. I think FF VII is a bit overrated, though it´s a great game. But I never played any 2D Final fantasy anyway...

[Molgera]

For me, Final Fantasy VIII was the best.
QFT

[Joxe]

Didn't like the graphical style and the story in FFVIII but the junction system was the best one ever since you didn't have to find "blade of fire" or something to battle enemies weak to fire, you just equipped Fire on your weapon. The magic system should've been with MP though, aswell as the GF since you could just spam them on bosses until they died.

Best ever is FFVII though.

[Kevin]

For me, Final Fantasy VIII was the best.

:shock: You mean somebody actually enjoyed eight?

[1990tillnow]

All, from part 1 to 8.

But 4,5 and 6 are my def favorites.

[link64]

easily 6

[Veszerin]

I'm sorry, I love VI myself, but i'm going to have to go with Tactics. THE ORIGINAL, not the one on GBA.

[enjoievan]

IMHO, VIII was great for gameplay (in dosages, i got bored.), but VII had the story that kept me up all night time and time again.

["L"]

Am i the only one who who thought FF9 was the best FF game?

at least out of the 3D FF games at least?

[enjoievan]

Maybe it looked the best. But too many people i've talked to call it the worst of the bunch (in terms of the PS1 titles.)

[Veszerin]

I hate 7.

it's a decent game, but i just find it annoying how nearly everyone think its the best RPG ever made, when it really isn't anywhere close.

people also give FFVIII a hard time. I liked it myself.

VI and Tactics are the best FF's IMHO.
Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, and Xenogears are still better though :-p

[enjoievan]

Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, and Xenogears are still better though :-p

Hear, Hear...

FFVII doesn't come near CT.
I love the storyline in VII though... I didn't feel involved enough in VIII.

I can see why you didn't like it though, it is way overhyped.

["L"]

Maybe it looked the best. But too many people i've talked to call it the worst of the bunch (in terms of the PS1 titles.)

are you on about FF9?

Because most people i know, say 8 is the worst PS1 FF.

[enjoievan]

Maybe it looked the best. But too many people i've talked to call it the worst of the bunch (in terms of the PS1 titles.)

are you on about FF9?

Because most people i know, say 8 is the worst PS1 FF.

Well I guess it's just personal preference, i don't like 8 either. But, Vivi aside, I didn't find anything interesting about FF9.

[Balrog]

Mystic Quest *SHOT, CONDEMNED, TORTURED*

No seriously I must say Chrono though it isn't exactly a FF.

[SKTTR]

Final Fantasy Adventure aka Mystic Quest (GameBoy) is my favourite one. The other one's were boring.

& yes, Chrono Trigger is way better than FF.

[Balrog]

I meant the really crappy SNES Mystic Quest. The "tutorial" FF. XP

Final Fantasy ADVENTURE? That's Seiken Densetsu, right?

[SKTTR]

yeah it's called seiken densetsu in JP.

[Balrog]

That's a good game. I didn't know the EU name, so I was confused; you said the rest so I though you meant the Legends series...

[SKTTR]

I know Mystic Quest Legends (EU) on SNES. That was called Final Fantasy Mystic Quest in the US.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f6/Final_Fantasy_Mystic_US_boxart.jpg/277px-Final_Fantasy_Mystic_US_boxart.jpg

http://www.ninretro.de/pictures/SNES_Sammlung/Mystic_Quest_Legend.jpg

Don't know what you mean by "Legends" though.


This is the one I really liked:
Mystic Quest aka Final Fantasy Adventure aka Seiken Desetsu: Final Fantasy Gaiden
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/88/Final_Fantasy_Adventure_Front_Cover.jpg/256px-Final_Fantasy_Adventure_Front_Cover.jpg http://membres.lycos.fr/dreamsega/NM/Seiken/Jaquettes/Mystic-quest.jpg

[Balrog]

And it exhibits lots of phail.

[Veszerin]

Final Fantasy Adventure isn't a Final Fantasy game.
it's a Seiken Densetsu game, that they named Final Fantasy because Final Fantasy sold well.
They just wanted to capitalize on the Final Fantasy series' success.


Should've just waited till after Secret of Mana to release it, it would've sold just as well, if not better.

[SKTTR]

There are chocobos in Final Fantasy Adventure.

AND it's called FINAL FANTASY Adventure.

AND EVEN IN JAPAN it's called FINAL FANTASY Gaiden.

So for me it's a Final Fantasy game ^^

[enjoievan]

I think we can come to somewhat of an agreement that Chrono Trigger is better than (at least most) FFs.

Truly classic.

For some reason, it's nostalgic for me, just owning it.

It had GREAT music.

Nice to have some variety from the Rinse&Repeat FFs.

[Veszerin]

I think we can come to somewhat of an agreement that Chrono Trigger is better than (at least most) FFs.

Truly classic.

For some reason, it's nostalgic for me, just owning it.

It had GREAT music.

Nice to have some variety from the Rinse&Repeat FFs.


NAHHHHHHHHH YA THINK?

I still Say that Secret of Mana is better than Chrono Trigger though :-p

[enjoievan]

Meh. It's a good way for someone into Action games to transition to RPGs I suppose. I used to like it better.

[SKTTR]

The best SNES RPG's are

Winners

1st place: Earthbound / Chrono Trigger / Terranigma / Secret of Mana / Super Mario RPG - They're not just five star games, they're ten stars!

2nd place: Final Fantasy ^^

no ;) : Final Fantasy has been a top quality RPG since FF6 & FF7.

dont matter what anybody else says. Final Fantasy got it's issues because there were so much of em, and not every part of that series was good. But with FF6 & FF7 this is one of the 1st placers.

1st place: Earthbound / Chrono Trigger / Terranigma / Secret of Mana / Super Mario RPG / Final Fantasy 6

2nd place: rise of the robots

[Beholder]

Best Final Fantasy Game?

With numbers? I have to say FF6, great story, gameplay, graphics, characters, and Kefka.

Without numbers? FF; Crystal Chronicles. An underated game that people complained about because "OMG you need a gameboy to play it, do you think I'm millionarie?1??", but if you play it with friends, and work together to progress, it's absolutely brilliant. Even the one player mode was fun, trying to get the best artifacts of every stage.

[Veszerin]

:shock: You mean somebody actually enjoyed eight?

I did too.

[link64]

for all the people who did not like 8 you may enjoy this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1njLpZDfUCQ

[Veszerin]

it wasn't that bad, I liked it. Better than 7 at least.

[antster1983]

I was in a webchat with the two gits from Thumb Bandtis (Channel 4 late night show about gaming, hosted by vegetarian teetotaler gimp* Iain Lee) and I asked them what was their favourite FF game. Iain Lee responded by saying "they were all ****". He'd only played FF8. His co-host was undecided, having played a bit of FF6.

*Nothing against vegetarians (I work with one) or with teetotalers (I drink like a fish) it's gimps I can't stand! Especially Iain Lee! :-P

[Jaxathon]

I vote for everything except final fantasy. I seriously don't care for those games at all.

[kelvingreen]

I was in a webchat with the two gits from Thumb Bandtis (Channel 4 late night show about gaming, hosted by vegetarian teetotaler gimp* Iain Lee) and I asked them what was their favourite FF game. Iain Lee responded by saying "they were all ****". He'd only played FF8. His co-host was undecided, having played a bit of FF6.
So they run a video game tv show, and between them, they've only played two Final Fantasy games? Well, they're eminently qualified for the job. Jeepers.

For my part, my favourite so far has been FFVII, but I've only played about half of the series. VIII had a very good story, but the gameplay was hideously unbalanced; it would have made a good movie, much better than Spirits Within.

[metallicorphan]

my favourites were 7 and 9,i liked them both equally,i am replaying 7 now,nearly on disc 3

gonna replay 8 after this




has anyone said crystal chronicals for the cube?

[Beholder]

has anyone said crystal chronicals for the cube?

Me.

Read what I wrote before.

[Juice_Lee]

9 is the best, 1 is the second best. 7 should not even be on the radar. 8 is pretty darn good too.

[Veszerin]

9 is the best, 1 is the second best. 7 should not even be on the radar. 8 is pretty darn good too.

THANK YOU!

This must be the only gaming forum on the net where at least half the people aren't complete idiots.


you should try FFVI though.

[Juice_Lee]

Yes, I know. To be honest I have been dying to play through both V and VI, but they are large games that require a certain dedication that I cannot commit at the moment (nor do I own them). I'm currently playing through VIII and liking it a lot.

[enjoievan]

Have you two played VII? or VIII?
Because if you have you would at least think twice before putting them off the radar.

VI was great too...

[Serge.EXE]

Hrm....best Final Fantasy, huh? I think I may need to Categorize for this one.

2D-Generation

Out of this generation, we have most FF games, from I-VI, not counting Mystic Quest because that game is a mockery of all that is RPG (The japanese called it Final Fantasy USA for Shiggy's sake, to make fun of us for making it so easy :(). FF I-III are not in my running as they introduced most of the FF concepts. Mind you, they were indeed good games, but far outclassed by the future titles.

Final Fantasy IV had everything, I believe. Compelling story, terrific characters, awesome gameplay (Still the only Final Fantasy to have 5 party members, which gave Square license to make boss battles harder) and overall a great feel.
Final Fantasy V was lacking in story a bit and more or less completely lacked character development, however it made up for most of it with it's solid Job-based gameplay which made it ridiculously fun and gave it HUGE replay value (if you didn't Master every job the first way through, that is, and focused on specific party combinations.)
Final Fantasy VI had great story, wonderful characters, rich and vibrant graphics, and fun gameplay. The only problem I had with VI is that the story more or less just stopped once Kefka's Tower became accessible and you just had to go get all your characters back. There were little tidbits, but no where near as deep as IV.

For the SNES, my favorite was Final Fantasy IV

3D-Generation

The generation that supposedly set the bar for all RPGs in the future.

Final Fantasy VII was indeed a very good title. With a good story that had many twists and turns, confusing character development, and truly great gameplay (the materia system was good, I admit) it was the gem of the Playstation. However, it came up short for me were some of the side-quests to get the more powerful equipment and materia were troublesome at best, or way too easy if you knew how to exploit a glitch. They weren't fun either, mostly repetitive (Getting the gold chocobo. You have to race SO MUCH omfg)

Final Fantasy VIII is a game I have only witnessed. I have not tried it because I hated what I saw. Drawing? GFs? Come on Square, you've made better gameplay than that!

Final Fantasy IX went back to old formulas, and it is still a game I have never tried, mainly due to my previous lack of Playstation. I was too lazy to go and buy it when I got my free PS2. It looked decent however, and gets my praise for good character design.

Final Fantasy X will forever be one of the truly outstanding PS2 titles for me. Terrific story, awesome characters (Auron, 'nuff said) and a unique and tasteful return to turn-based battling. The summoning mechanics could have used some work though. It got boring just going back and forth, back and forth, OVERDRIVE, back and forth.

Final Fantasy XI I played for a bit, but was unimpressed. I had already set my sights on World of Warcraft, which impresses me to no end to this day.

Final Fantasy XII, gameplay wise is just an offline MMO. Many call it innovative. I call it rehashing from XI. Story and character wise, however, Square did very nicely.

For the 3D gens, I have a tie between VII and X.

*phew* quite the list, eh? Took me a fair bit of time to type this to. But, overall, the point of this is, my favorite Final Fantasy is...

Final Fantasy IV

I'm sorry, but Cecil and his story of Redemption is a tale that will forever be remembered by me. I have the original Final Fantasy II SNES cart, Final Fantasy Chronicles for the Playstation, Final Fantasy IV Advance, and when it is released, I will be getting Final Fantasy IV DS. The game was truly outstanding and still is.

P.S.- PLEASE don't flame me for some of my opinions. I realize that other people actually like VIII, and these were merely my own views. It's cool if you like it, I won't make fun of you!

[Veszerin]

Have you two played VII? or VIII?
Because if you have you would at least think twice before putting them off the radar.

VI was great too...

yes, i've played both.

VII sucked. (YES IT DID.)

VIII was so-so, but I liked it.

[Serge.EXE]

yes, i've played both.

VII sucked. (YES IT DID.)

VIII was so-so, but I liked it.


Please be specific. Why does it suck, according to you? I just want to see why you think it sucks, maybe your reasoning is justifiable.

[yamiiguy]

In my honest opinion I think X, it was my first Final Fantasy and it truly captivated me into the story, the soundtrack was fantastic and the character development is some of the best I've seen even by todays standards. That saying I haven't played all the Final Fantasy's, I've played all but the PS1 ones and XI.

[Veszerin]

Please be specific. Why does it suck, according to you? I just want to see why you think it sucks, maybe your reasoning is justifiable.
its not justifiable.

It sucks because its a perfectly average game that's hailed as the second coming of RPGs.

It is not the best FF, it is not the best RPG(or anywhere near it), and it is my sworn mission to open the eyes of the 50 million idiots that are stupid enough to think it is, so blindly, when they didn't even play RPGs before 1997.

[Serge.EXE]

It sucks because its a perfectly average game that's hailed as the second coming of RPGs.

It is not the best FF, it is not the best RPG(or anywhere near it), and it is my sworn mission to open the eyes of the 50 million idiots that are stupid enough to think it is, so blindly, when they didn't even play RPGs before 1997.

I admit, it is indeed glorified. But it doesn't suck, and I wouldn't call it average. It is indeed at least above-average as a stand alone game. I really enjoyed playing it.

Best RPG btw is Chrono Trigger.

Square's finest moment.

At least, that's my opinion. A shame it was never released Europe-side. Definately worth the ROM and ZSNES download.

[Beholder]

You have to understand the context.

I still remember when FF 6 and 7 were released. FF7 was a shock, because it was in 3D. It became popular because of (at that time) great graphics and in-game videos, and it's characters. Also, it was on Playstation, a widespread system and huge fan base.

Now...the problem was that with FF7, many "new rpg gamers" appeared on scene. People that always stated that RPG were "boring", now loved the genre and started playing more RPGs because of FF7. The problem was that some of them, until now, had never played previous games on other systems. Everytime I talk with my younger friends, they only remember FF7, but nothing previous that. They heard of some "Chrono-something" and other Squaresoft games, but never played them.

FF7 was in 3D. 3D was cool at that time. Cinematics were cool. Loading was cool too. If it was not in 3D, it was a bad game. Sprites were boring. Sprites were old. So, the game is now considered by some people as "the best game ever" because it was their first game and it was in 3D. 3D ruled the world at that time, but fortunately some people were not blind enough to consider it the best game ever just because of that.

It takes more than 3D and an emo stabbing a flower girl to be considered the best of all times.

[hippiecrite]

Final Fantasy IV is my all time favorite with VI and VIII occupying 2nd and 3rd place respectively. XII is truly amazing as well although a lot of people don't seem to like it.

[kelvingreen]

As soon as I've finished X, I think I'll get XII; I've heard very good things about it, and since I've started gaming on my PS2 again, why not?

And wise words from Beholder there; one thing that's really bothered me in recent years, in both games and animation, is the sense that 3D is the only way to go, when it's merely one design choice from many.

I'm a bit more fond of FFVII than Beholder seems to be, but it's clearly not the best console rpg out there, and is more than a little over-hyped.

[Veszerin]

You have to understand the context.

I still remember when FF 6 and 7 were released. FF7 was a shock, because it was in 3D. It became popular because of (at that time) great graphics and in-game videos, and it's characters. Also, it was on Playstation, a widespread system and huge fan base.

Now...the problem was that with FF7, many "new rpg gamers" appeared on scene. People that always stated that RPG were "boring", now loved the genre and started playing more RPGs because of FF7. The problem was that some of them, until now, had never played previous games on other systems. Everytime I talk with my younger friends, they only remember FF7, but nothing previous that. They heard of some "Chrono-something" and other Squaresoft games, but never played them.

FF7 was in 3D. 3D was cool at that time. Cinematics were cool. Loading was cool too. If it was not in 3D, it was a bad game. Sprites were boring. Sprites were old. So, the game is now considered by some people as "the best game ever" because it was their first game and it was in 3D. 3D ruled the world at that time, but fortunately some people were not blind enough to consider it the best game ever just because of that.

It takes more than 3D and an emo stabbing a flower girl to be considered the best of all times.


FF7's 3d was disgusting, it would've been a better game with sprites.

I just tried to play it again last night. I'm at the spot right before you meet Tifa.
The lack of utilization of the analog sticks(were they available in 1997? oh well, doesn't feel right playing a 3d game without them), the disgusting character avatars, sigh...FF7 isn't even the above average game it used to be, and I just can't get past looking at those characters.

this morning i started playing Chrono Trigger, via Final Fantasy Chronicles for the PS. Now that has aged well. Chrono Trigger is still as good as it always has been.

I'd rather see CT on the virtual console yes, but if you are in EU, you might as well download Zsnes or snes9x and get the rom, I mean, it's not like you are able to buy it, so, not really stealing is it.

Like many of you, I think Square are a bit idiotic. They have some of the greatest games, but they don't seem to think that those of us in NA or EU regions will enjoy them, when we've proven that we do.

Seiken Densetsu 3(JP only), Chrono Trigger(JP and NA), the list is huge.

[hippiecrite]

I can't play the FF Chronicles version of Chrono Trigger. The load times during the battles just kill me. I'm used to the SNES version being nice and quick but the PSX version lags too much.

[Veszerin]

I can't play the FF Chronicles version of Chrono Trigger. The load times during the battles just kill me. I'm used to the SNES version being nice and quick but the PSX version lags too much.

Very true.

[Beholder]

FF7 hasn't aged well. When I show the game to people that have never played it before, they tend to laugh a bit (no joke). My problem was that rendered backgrounds were a mess. It's difficult to know where to go,or where's the exit in that blurry picture. That's why they added those arrows in some places.

[hippiecrite]

The graphics in VII don't bother me, it's the damn Materia system. So many people swear by it but to me it really limited the gameplay and the party rotation. It got to the point where every character was essentially the same which limited the strategy elements of the game. There was no class differences because you could just swap Materia between party members. My end party was Cloud, Tifa and Cid but I could have easily just swapped their Materia and finished the game with the same strategy for a party of Yuffie, Red XIII and Cait Sith.

[Veszerin]

FF7 hasn't aged well. When I show the game to people that have never played it before, they tend to laugh a bit (no joke). My problem was that rendered backgrounds were a mess. It's difficult to know where to go,or where's the exit in that blurry picture. That's why they added those arrows in some places.

it would've been much better if they used sprites instead.

[alexknibb]

it would've been much better if they used sprites instead.

I've read this whole thread now, and I think you're wrong. Here's why...

It seems a lot of people here grew up with sprite-based RPGs and there's nothing wrong with that. Final Fantasy VII is one of the few games out there which truly hit home the power of games for me. Whether it was perfect or not is beside the point, it was a truly landmark game. And what made it landmark was not the gameplay, but the method of storytelling. 3D graphics and elaborate pre-rendered cutscenes allowed for a huge amount of emotion and involvement in the storyline. That's what got me about the game. It was like being in a 40 hour movie. For someone who'd never played an RPG before, this was a true eye-opener.

I think what you get when you compare those who embarked on RPGs before FFVII and those that got into them as a result of the game is this: Those who were always going to find RPGs fun valued the gameplay above anything else, and for them sprite-based games were traditionally the way to go. Those that came in as a result of FFVII, and I suppose I'm speaking personally, wouldn't have enjoyed FFVII anywhere near enough to push on with it if it didn't dangle the glorious 3D cutscenes carrot as a way to entice you into the game further. In other words, it did for RPGs what Nintendo is now trying to do for games as a whole, it attracted new players.

It's for this reason that'd I'd rate FFVII on importance above any of the ones I've played. Not because it's the best game per se, but because it's the one that triggered a love of 3D RPGs. It's a landmark game for many of us, and that's a personal thing.

It's also for this reason that I think FFVIII is my favourite of the series, simply because of the storytelling. I shed a tear when I though Rinoa had bought the farm, and it's to this day the only time a game has done that to me.

Just my 2p worth. And it's late so it's probably completely incomprehensible. So sorry if so. :)

[Veszerin]

In other words, it did for RPGs what Nintendo is now trying to do for games as a whole, it attracted new players.yes, and if the people that started playing video games with the wii start calling wii sports the best video game ever made, i'm going to probably hate them too. not that it's any different from the ff7 fanboys.

You're forgetting about the games that truly did that.
Who cares about the 5 million idiots that started playing rpgs with final fantasy 7? Yes. I called them idiots. why? because that's what they are. Caring more about graphics than storyline in an RPG. This isn't a First Person Shooter, this isn't a sports game, this isn't pong. Graphics don't mean a thing in a game. And Final Fantasy 7 graphics btw, look horrible. As if they were drawn by someone who was 10 years old. Pure Crap. You can see the sides of the polygon. Super Mario RPG did better with graphics, and was on a much weaker system.


What about all the people that started with Legend of Zelda, which was the first game ever to feature the ability to save your game. Otherwise we'd all be using 50 digit passwords. It was also the first game ever to have a non-linear storyline, that allowed you to explore the world you were in.

No one gives the Zelda series any love, but it's the most innovative game series of all time.

What about Chrono Trigger? You know Gamefaqs is having its yearly character deathmatch thing. And of course, Cloud Strife and Sephiroth are somehow beating legends like Crono, Frog, Magus. Duran, Kevin, Hawk, Lise, Angela, and Carlie aren't even mentioned. Fei Fong Wong isn't on there. Ramza Beoulve isn't on there. Neither is Delita Hyral. Terra Banford, Locke Cole, Edgar and Sabin, not mentioned. Cecil Harvey, Not Mentioned. Kain Highwind, not mentioned. Elminster, Drizzt Do'Urden, Not Mentioned.
And i'm willing to bet that half of these idiot Ff7 fanboys have no idea who half these characters are, so let me tell you.
Crono, Frog AKA Glenn, and Magus, are 3 characters from Chrono Trigger. Duran, Kevin, Hawk, Lise, Angela, Carlie, are the 6 playable characters from Seiken Densetsu 3. Fei Fong Wong is the main character from Xenogears. Ramza Beoulve and Delita Hyral are from Final Fantasy Tactics. Terra Banford, Locke Cole, Edgar Figaro and Sabin Figaro are from Final Fantasy VI. Cecil Harvey and Kain Highwind are from Final Fantasy IV. Elminster and Drizzt Do'Urden are from Forgotten Realms.


This ends my rant on Final Fantasy VII, a truly overrated, overhyped, and mediocre game.

[enjoievan]

The best final fantasy is EarthBound.

[SKTTR]

The best RPG is Earthbound.

The best Final Fantasy is Chrono Trigger.

[franman781]

I shed a tear when I though Rinoa had bought the farm, and it's to this day the only time a game has done that to me.

That happenned to me not in FFVII, i never got a chance to play the game because i didnt get a Sony console until very recently, but i had a had that tear in there playing Kingdom hearts.

though the game is told in two parts, i look at it this way, 1 storyline= 1 game.

::potential spoiler alert::

and at the end of KH2 when that song comes on and you see Sora, Kairi, Riku, Donald, Goofy, and Mickey on Destiny island in that big reunitement after the final battle, just that tear kind of builds.

::end of potential spoiler moment::

This is why i submit the Kingdom hearts series as the best final fantasy.

[alexknibb]

Who cares about the 5 million idiots that started playing rpgs with final fantasy 7? Yes. I called them idiots. why? because that's what they are.

Good argument. I think you've won the debate there.

Caring more about graphics than storyline in an RPG. This isn't a First Person Shooter, this isn't a sports game, this isn't pong. Graphics don't mean a thing in a game.

I beg to disagree. You're right; the whole point of an RPG is its storytelling. But graphics help tell the story. I'm not talking about the QUALITY of the graphics in technical terms, I'm talking about the way the graphics are used to tell the story in the most effective way possible.

I think your view of what requires good graphics is a little topsy-turvy. I would say that graphics are LESS important in an action game like a sports game or a shoot 'em up, because the playability is of paramount importance. In an RPG, a lot of people wouldn't push on with 60 hours of gameplay if they really couldn't give a crap about the story or the characters. The graphics, or rather the way they're used, help to involve the gamer in the storyline, in the same way the dialogue and plot do.

If the special effects in Star Wars were obviously plastic models hanging on bits of string and wobbling around, I very much doubt it would be the success it is. You see, presentation and polish are crucial parts of the puzzle.

And Final Fantasy 7 graphics btw, look horrible. As if they were drawn by someone who was 10 years old. Pure Crap. You can see the sides of the polygon. Super Mario RPG did better with graphics, and was on a much weaker system.

I don't know where to start debunking this 'argument'. I could resort to just calling you an idiot, like you've done, but that's a bit childish, don't you think? ;)

You might find the graphics more appealing on SMRPG, fair enough, but that's a personal taste thing. In terms of how advanced the graphics were, no-one could argue that FF7 didn't represent a huge step forward for the genre and set a benchmark.

You can see the sides of the polygons, can you? Eek. Nightmare. Well, that ruins it completely. In fact, for that reason, we should cast aside every game made on the PS1. And PS2. And every 3d game ever made. That's like saying SMRPG looks rubbish because you can see the pixels. Don't forget, it was on the original PlayStation. For a fan of retro-games you seem to be oblivious to - or, worse, deliberately ignoring for the purposes of your argument - the hardware limitations of the system. This was a groundbreaking display for the new generation of consoles.

Your points on Zelda are fair. Whether people give it enough love is a matter for another time. However, if that's your argument about why Zelda is an important game, then surely you have to respect people's opinions about why FF7 is an important game for those reasons?

As a final point, don't call people idiots just because they disagree with you, it's not polite.

You idiot. ;)

[Veszerin]

i'm sorry, anything with Mickey....is just a complete turn off.


Vincent Valentine has defeated Crono somehow in the gamefaqs character deathmatch or whatever it is.

I submit: Final Fanboy 7 as the most Overrated Crap Game ever made.

[hippiecrite]

It's not a crap game though. I'm not a huge fan of it, it's certainly not my favorite installment, but not because I think it's crap rather because I find it horrendously overrated and flawed in many aspects. Overrated does not equal crap though. For its time, Final Fantasy VII was a monumental achievement in presentation. It's the game that made me buy a Playstation and I'm sure that's true for many gamers. When I first played it I enjoyed it, but as time has passed it's flaws have become more apparant, mainly the Materia system which throws off the balance of the entire party and makes many characters virtually useless. Still it's a playable game and a fun one to revisit every now and then. It's not the best game in the series, but it's nowhere near being a God awful game like Superman 64.

[franman781]

Who cares about the 5 million idiots that started playing rpgs with final fantasy 7? ... Caring more about graphics than storyline in an RPG.

ok, people dont play games just because they look great, they play them because they are fun.

Graphics will pull a person into trying or buying a game, but inevitably it's the story and gameplay that keep them in it.

i, never having played final fantasy 7, will say that seeing the graphics, i probably wouldnt pick it up because to me it'll be a complete eyesore. but the story, based on seeing Advent children, and playing the Kingdom hearts series, i have just as much a love for the characters as someone who has played through FF7. maybe not the same appreciation because i never witnessed the circumstances that made the characters who they are, but i am fully satisfied with the results.

if, and i mean if, (i also hope) if they do remake FF7 for the PS3, i would definitely go buy it. the graphics would be amazing as to pull me in, but if it turns out that i dont like the story or gameplay, i'd probably get bored of it and stop playing.

look at Final Fantasy X, (i had just recently started playing this game i'm about 14 hours in) when it released for the PS2 in late 2001, the graphics, especially for the time were mindblowing. the FMV sequences are astounding. the gameplay is good, though the active time battle system is not present. and i am quite taken with the story. i cant wait to find what the next Aeon is; when the next battle with Sin is; or what's the deal with Maester Seymour, if he's just meant to seem like a jerk with overall good intentions, or if he's got his own agendas.

that's the beauty of the FF series, there is no set setting, FF7 hit big in america partly because of the setting, it was no longer always medieval in tone, it seemed even a bit more real. FFX also takes this entirely different setting with the kind of Waterworld deal, very lush atmosphere and it helps tell the story well.

so (before i start to rant here ;-) ) just saying in closing, that the story is what makes the game, that is the most basic part. gameplay so your not just watching a six to fourty hour movie needs to keep you coming back, but the initial hook, especially for an unknown title is the graphics.

[Veszerin]

ok, people dont play games just because they look great, they play them because they are fun.

Graphics will pull a person into trying or buying a game, but inevitably it's the story and gameplay that keep them in it.

i, never having played final fantasy 7, will say that seeing the graphics, i probably wouldnt pick it up because to me it'll be a complete eyesore. but the story, based on seeing Advent children, and playing the Kingdom hearts series, i have just as much a love for the characters as someone who has played through FF7. maybe not the same appreciation because i never witnessed the circumstances that made the characters who they are, but i am fully satisfied with the results.

if, and i mean if, (i also hope) if they do remake FF7 for the PS3, i would definitely go buy it. the graphics would be amazing as to pull me in, but if it turns out that i dont like the story or gameplay, i'd probably get bored of it and stop playing.

look at Final Fantasy X, (i had just recently started playing this game i'm about 14 hours in) when it released for the PS2 in late 2001, the graphics, especially for the time were mindblowing. the FMV sequences are astounding. the gameplay is good, though the active time battle system is not present. and i am quite taken with the story. i cant wait to find what the next Aeon is; when the next battle with Sin is; or what's the deal with Maester Seymour, if he's just meant to seem like a jerk with overall good intentions, or if he's got his own agendas.

that's the beauty of the FF series, there is no set setting, FF7 hit big in america partly because of the setting, it was no longer always medieval in tone, it seemed even a bit more real. FFX also takes this entirely different setting with the kind of Waterworld deal, very lush atmosphere and it helps tell the story well.

so (before i start to rant here ;-) ) just saying in closing, that the story is what makes the game, that is the most basic part. gameplay so your not just watching a six to fourty hour movie needs to keep you coming back, but the initial hook, especially for an unknown title is the graphics.you do realize of course, that there hasn't been a good FF game in...about 7 years. (ports don't count, even though there have been about 20 ports in the last decade)

[franman781]

so you're arguing that FF XI online is a bad game regardless of it's over 4 million users spanned across PC's and consoles.

now i'm not into MMO's but clearly they did something right, and it's obviously an FF game, it's constantly expanding and has a full linear story.

one more question, did you play FFXII? all the way through.

I have it, it plays well, but i lost track early on in it because i was distracted by Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2, now im playing FFX partly to get an idea at what im in for as far as story twists, plot design, and Character Development.
Especially since it's the first numeric FF ive ever got into.

im sure the stories for the first sprite based installments are great, but the only Sprite RPG im really into is Seiken Densetsu 3. Square's storytelling can only improve as time goes on, like a good band finding their sound from album to album until they find the perfect fit and blow people away.

[Veszerin]

so you're arguing that FF XI online is a bad game regardless of it's over 4 million users spanned across PC's and consoles.

now i'm not into MMO's but clearly they did something right, and it's obviously an FF game, it's constantly expanding and has a full linear story.

one more question, did you play FFXII? all the way through.

I have it, it plays well, but i lost track early on in it because i was distracted by Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2, now im playing FFX partly to get an idea at what im in for as far as story twists, plot design, and Character Development.
Especially since it's the first numeric FF ive ever got into.

im sure the stories for the first sprite based installments are great, but the only Sprite RPG im really into is Seiken Densetsu 3. Square's storytelling can only improve as time goes on, like a good band finding their sound from album to album until they find the perfect fit and blow people away.
of all games you bring up, you start with FFXI.

Yes, I played FFXI. I bought the import because i couldn't wait. I spent 250$ on a new video card so it would work on my pc. I spent 20$ on the shipping so FFXI would get to my house ASAP. i spent 3 hours reading a tutorial so that i could set up my account in the Japanese version.

I admit, I was severely disappointed in FFXI. WoW was much better. Square should stop wasting their time on mmos and focus on making a decent game.


FFXII, Tried it....got bored quick. The similarities to FFXI got annoying, and i began to think that Square couldn't do anything original anymore. I'll be honest, The only Ivalice game i enjoyed was Final Fantasy Tactics. FFTA was a major disappointment, and a waste of about 30$.



And lastly, you bring up Seiken Densetsu 3. A fantastic game. I always liked the Duran/Hawk/Kevin Party myself.
"Square's storytelling can only improve as time goes on, like a good band finding their sound from album to album until they find the perfect fit and blow people away." Such words are bull****.

Koichi Ishii, the creator of the mana series has created about 10-15 mana games over the past decade. All of which, SUCKED. Not Final Fanboy 7 sucked. I actually enjoyed FF7...a little. But just Plain sucked. 6.0/10 on the rating scale sucked.
They took out 40% of the game and downgraded the graphics of Secret of Mana, in order to fit it on an SNES cart. If Koichi Ishii had any intelligence whatsoever, he'd listen to what the fans want, which almost every single one of them wants is the unreleased full version of Secret of Mana and a US/EU release of Seiken Densetsu 3. And yet, Koichi Ishii, will continue to release some extremely stupid games. Heroes of Mana came out recently...he's starting to get the gist, i heard a few chars from SD3 appeared, not sure if thats true or not.

[SKTTR]

If it wasn't for this forum, I would have never heard about Secret of Mana was originally intended to be a bigger game. And really, I don't care.

Because right after Earthbound, Chrono Trigger and Terranigma,
there's my beloved Secret of Mana (and EVO, Shadowrun and Super Mario RPG) and I would download it in a heartbeat.

Then I get my two best RPG friends over to my house and play
simultaneous 3 player realtime RPG/adventure goodness the rest of the weekend.
That's one outstanding thing Secret of Mana always had. Three players at the same time, walking, adventuring, battling together.

Secret of Mana in it's "untrue, cutted and released form" was one of the best RPG experiences at the time.

But now that I'm thinking of it, with 40% more of that game, it could have been on the top of my list right next to Chrono and EB.
Anyway, to be honest, there was never a SNES-CD system on the market,
so developing a game for a non-existent system was just plain stupid from Square. I think these 40%-More-Version is burning in the hells of oblivion and no-one of us will ever see it.
It is much more likely that they'd remake Secret of Mana for DS - and then you have (or have not) the version you wanted.

[90's Gamer]

All REAL Final Fantasy's are great, not these with that so called 'realistic' look.
Final Fantasy died after part VII.

My favorite is....part IV i guess, such a great story, but it's head-to-head with V & VI.

[Flamin Skull]

My first RPG was Dragon Warrior (Quest) 1, and didnt play RPGs until I tried out FF7, and was promptly hooked onto RPGs, but I found that the FF games became stale after 8, (9 sucked and the laughing scene in X ruined it!) so bad that i stopped moving up and started going backwards with friends copies and GBA and Anthology..
my Fave out of all is FF8, I just loved how Squall could add a shot to my attack and the summons peaked in FF8! the storyline was allright tho.. too much lovey love u know?

[hippiecrite]

FFXII is great IMO. It gets a lot of hate from a lot of people but I found it was more akin to the older FF games (i.e. 1-6). FF has been hit or miss for awhile now, VIII and XII are the last ones I really loved. VII and IX are alright but flawed, X and X-2 are just pure garbage, and XI was cool but got boring after a year.

[deggs]

FF 2 (4 in japan)...

most addictive rpg i ever plays (keeping in mind that i never owned anything past snes and genesis)...

the yardstick by which i measure any rpg i try (and phantasy star 4 and dragon warrior 3 were almost as good if not better)...

ff2(4) resulted in the longest video game binge i ever took. it halted social interactions for like 3 or 4 weeks when i was a kid (last game to ever really do that too)... It was just sooo engrossing at the time (especially considering what else was around back then)...

[mechanix]

Like most RPG gamers my age, I absolutely love 7, it being a sort of 'right of passage'.

Then I bought 8, hated every second and didn't play another till Tactics advance. which I also thought was frigging marvellous.

Didn't bother with 9, 10 or 11, but my god 12 was something else. A real case of the engine overpowering the story. Somewhat bland in terms of plot, the game mechanic of 12 was never less than majestic. Also played 6 when it came out for PS1. Also stunning.

While I'd probably suggest that 12 is the best 'game', 7 has the most impact on my life, so I'll pick 7.

[coire]

Mystic Quest!

Yay!!! Easy RPG!!!!!!

No, I've never played Mystic Quest, But If It ever came out on the VC......

The only ones I have ever played are: Final Fantasy VI Advance and (I think the game I am Thinking of is) Final Fantasy Tactics advance, In Which Case, I really Liked tactics. However, If It wasn't tactics that I was playing, then I have to give it to VI Advance.

EDIT: The game I was thinking of wasn't Final Fantasy Tactics... But It was a GBA game, but unlike Tactics, It featured an over the shoulder battle perspective (like Pokémon) and I think the Plot revolved around crystals or something.... And One of the areas very early on is like a desert or something, where a common enemy is a 'boxer-ant' or something... Damn, I wish I could remember what that game was... Could anyone who has even the slightest Idea what game this might be, could they speak now and tell me? Thanks!

[Shortay]

*BUMP*

I haven't played any FF games before (shocking, I know), but I want to know which would be the best to start with? I have a PS3, so I could get some of the PS1 ones, and I also have a DS if I wanted to start with the FF III or IV (when it's released) remakes. I'd rather not start with a spin-off though.

[alexknibb]

I haven't played any FF games before (shocking, I know), but I want to know which would be the best to start with? I have a PS3, so I could get some of the PS1 ones, and I also have a DS if I wanted to start with the FF III or IV (when it's released) remakes. I'd rather not start with a spin-off though.

My personal recommendation would be not to start with III on the DS. It's a good game, but definitely not the strongest in the series. Plus, it can be hard as nails (but that's just 'cos I'm rubbish at computer games, probably ;)). My suggestion would be to start with VII on the PS1 and go from there. I personally thought VIII was the best, but you can have that one to look forward to! I've not really played the 2D ones, so can't really comment on those, but in terms of 3D, I'd say go chronologically to get a picture of how the series developed...

[Shortay]

My personal recommendation would be not to start with III on the DS. It's a good game, but definitely not the strongest in the series. Plus, it can be hard as nails (but that's just 'cos I'm rubbish at computer games, probably ;)). My suggestion would be to start with VII on the PS1 and go from there. I personally thought VIII was the best, but you can have that one to look forward to! I've not really played the 2D ones, so can't really comment on those, but in terms of 3D, I'd say go chronologically to get a picture of how the series developed...

Thanks, I'll look out for VII on eBay soon, once I get some money...

[Mickeymac]

Best Final Fantasy Ever? I only liked one of those, and that Was FFIV. The pacing in the story was just right, and the story itself was too "out there" like the rest of them, and was actually coherant. The gameplay was also just right, it was very fast paced and had a fair amount of exploration to hold my attention.

[Iam Canadian]

For my money, the best Final Fantasy is Final Fantasy VI, though in all honesty, the only ones I really enjoyed were the original, FFIV, FFV, FFVI, and FFIX. The rest I either didn't play (FFII, FFIII, FFXI) or I disliked to varying degrees (FFVII, FFVIII, FFX, FFXII). However, I really do feel like any of the SNES titles are worth your time as they all offer something different.

I believe FFIV is the weakest of the SNES titles, as I didn't like how little customization it offered for the characters and I didn't much enjoy having my party configuration being at the complete mercy of the storyline. I really don't care about story in games, but to FFIV's credit, the character development isn't bad and none of the characters seriously grated on my nerves, which is usually the best a video game story can hope for. It's got decent gameplay, but like I said, your party changes at the drop of a hat without any warning, which I found got kind of annoying.

I really like FFV's approach; the story is pushed to the background and the focus is on customizing your party via the game's excellent Job system, which I've always been fond of. I really had a lot of fun developing my characters with the Job system. Plus, as a bonus, the game features Gilgamesh, one of the greatest antagonists in video game history, and his fantastic theme music to boot.

As for FFVI, it's a finely crafted game with elements that will appeal to anybody. The characters strike a good balance between innate traits that make them unique and customization via the Esper system. The music is one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard in a video game, and I really loved the non-linear second half of the game. Almost half of the game comprises of non-linear side quests, I love it. :D

[Bahamut ZERO]

In my opinion its VI.
All 11 required characters had great personalities and backstories, which is really amazing considering VII and VIII characters lacked personalities and there were only a handful of playable characters.
The gameplay was great. Though while V had better gameplay, Vi wasn't too far behind due to esper-customization.
It had Kefka.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Eh, the backstories and characterizations in FFVI were pretty flat, cliche, or tacked on, depending on which character you mean. There were a couple of well-developed characters (Celes and Locke for example) and some cool but not-well-developed characters (Cyan and Shadow, for example). You're right that most of the characters in VII and VIII were lacking in personality (except for Squall, who is one of the best written characters in the series), but I don't see VI as very far ahead of them.

[Mickeymac]

Okay, I got FFX, and THAT is the best FF game I ever played! The fights were fun and quick, I loved the grid system used for leveling up, and most of the characters were very interesting and likeable, which made the utterly-nonsensical story quite bearable. I didn't even mind the linearity of the levels. The only problem I have with it is the G-Ddamn Blitz ball mini-game, it's no fun at all and impossible to win, and worse it's mandatory. You don't necessarily have to win, however( which makes it an utterly pointless inclusion), so I won't hold it against it.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Blitzball isn't that bad... but lightning dodging is one of the worst things ever to be included in a video game, ever.

[Bahamut ZERO]

I actually loved bliztball. x-2 ruined it though.

Lightning doging was absolutly terrible.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

I actually loved bliztball. x-2 ruined it though.


I haven't played X-2 yet so I don't know how it ruined it. :( But yeah, it was a pretty fun little game. The team/roster management system was pretty shallow, but it was a mini-game after all.

Imagine if they released a compilation disc of all the really good, deep mini-games they included in the Final Fantasy series? The snow-boarding from FFVII, Triple Triad from FFVIII, and Blitz Ball from FFX all come to mind as prime candidates.

[Mickeymac]

Wait, does every FF game have a mini-game? Are they mandatory as well?!

And why does everybody hate FFX-2? From everything I've seen and heard, it actually seems pretty cool.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Wait, does every FF game have a mini-game? Are they mandatory as well?!

And why does everybody hate FFX-2? From everything I've seen and heard, it actually seems pretty cool.

They don't all have mini-games, no.

The problem with X-2 is that the ending of X is actually pretty good, and X-2 takes you beyond it into a land where things are different and previously tied-off loose ends get sloppily and unsatisfactorily untied. :lolo-spin:

[Trapster]

Let me tell you what FF I think is the best by quoting someone from said game: Uweeheeheeheehee! :p

[Mickeymac]

They don't all have mini-games, no.

The problem with X-2 is that the ending of X is actually pretty good, and X-2 takes you beyond it into a land where things are different and previously tied-off loose ends get sloppily and unsatisfactorily untied. :lolo-spin:

Good, I was actually hoping to get into this series. As for X-2, good to hear, I was planning on getting it after I finished FFX, and I was afraid my money was going to be wasted. As long as there isn't anything really wrong with the gameplay, I'll be happy.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

Good, I was actually hoping to get into this series. As for X-2, good to hear, I was planning on getting it after I finished FFX, and I was afraid my money was going to be wasted. As long as there isn't anything really wrong with the gameplay, I'll be happy.

The gameplay isn't bad at all. Just be warned that it's campy and basically tosses X out the window. ;)

[Mickeymac]

The gameplay isn't bad at all. Just be warned that it's campy and basically tosses X out the window. ;)

I know, that's why I want it.

[Jogurt the Yogurt]

I know, that's why I want it.

Hahaha, touché!

[Bahamut ZERO]

I despised X-2.

Yeah, it had great gameplay.

But it ruined X-2. I mean at the ending

*SPOILERS*

Tidus comes back to life in 2 of the 3 endings

*END SPOILERS*

totally ruined X.

Also the whole Spira kind of was like "Wait, our religions a lie? Oh, those Al Bhed guys have cool stuff. Oh guys I'm sorry that we were racists..... give us your stuff." Spira changed too much.

Plus, lets all be honest, all that game was really trying to do was get more male fans for the Final Fantasy series :cool: