900 points?!

[DEMON212]

NG games like Metal Slug aren't worth 900. Not when you can get all 7 on the PSP for £12-£15.

Some may well be worth it, like that Shinobi style Magician game. But 900 points is rediculas IMO.

[Angelic Lapras King]

Thing is, sometimes the price differs in Japan. For example, Japan only pays 600 for MD games, but pay a whooping 1200 for OOT. So maybe, but not likely, the price ll be different everywhere else...

...


Or not.

[Drake]

Amazing music and graphics quality, and high game sizes. Do you really think they should be less than 900? They're of better quality than SNES games and slightly worse than N64 games. 900 is the only right price.

[samaine]

Also, Metal Slug likely won't be on the VC as it is on Wii.

Either way, the idea is that Neo-Geo was more powerful than the SNES (At 800 Points), but less powerful than N64 (At 1000 Points)... So 900 is a natural choice for them. Hopefully, we in the US will get it for less, but... hey, the MSX is priced at 700 Points... 700 Points for something only slightly better than the NES... ought to be 600 points here like the TurboGrafx... However, even Japan has yet to have MSX games released, so we will probably see Neo-Geo this month or next.

[Dazza]

I don't have a problem paying 900 points for a Neo Geo game tbh. It's fantastic value compared to what these carts cost back in the days and indeed even nowadays in eBay prices!

Yeah you'd be a mug to buy Metal Slug as it is readily available on compilation discs but it shouldn't stop them from releasing it for completeness. I might want to buy just Metal Slug 3 which I consider to be the pinnacle of the series so for me 900 points would be good value.

When games like Blazing Star and Pulstar hit the VC it will be an awesome day! :cool:

[SegaFan]

I can easily believe that they will be 900, as Dazza said those games are very expensive on ebay and very difficult to come across so I think 900 is quite logical.

[Drake]

I can easily believe that they will be 900, as Dazza said those games are very expensive on ebay and very difficult to come across so I think 900 is quite logical.
They're confirmed to be 900, that's what DEMON's complaining about.

[Angelic Lapras King]

So, what kind of game size are we talking about?

[Drake]

So, what kind of game size are we talking about?
Can't remember where I read it, but some of the last Neo Geo games ever made would probably fill up half the Wii's space in one go (Assuming you've downloaded nothing yet). Early Neo Geo games (Like the three announced games) are thankfully lots smaller.

[DEMON212]

Can't remember where I read it, but some of the last Neo Geo games ever made would probably fill up half the Wii's space in one go (Assuming you've downloaded nothing yet). Early Neo Geo games (Like the three announced games) are thankfully lots smaller.

Yes, they take up more room. But is that because of the graphics and music? Or because the games are actually longer/larger?

Do NG Beat 'Em Ups have 20 stages and characters?

Do NG Zelda type games have 15 dungeons?

Every NG game I've played has been a short one, and that's why I reckon 900 is a bit steep.

So I'd hope the games I haven't played are longer. To justify the high price.

Personally there's some SNES games that aren't worth 800, and there'll be some 64 games not worth 1,000 etc...

[Shortay]

I don't know anything about the Neo Geo, so what's considered as the best game released for it?

[DEMON212]

Fatal Fury. Which I say isn't fit to lick the boots of the janitor who cleaned the room of the people who made Streetfighter.

But that's just me :lol:

[DEMON212]

700 for MSX is expensive too. Forgot to mention it before.

C64 400? Even though 200 would be fairer.

[kelvingreen]

Hang on. Have they announced C64 then, or are you just speculating?

[DEMON212]

Hang on. Have they announced C64 then, or are you just speculating?

Speculating. I never know where we're at on the C64 front.

[kelvingreen]

Okay, fair enough. I almost got very excited there. I'd be fine with 400pts for the better C64 titles (Mayhem in Monsterland, Turrican). The earlier, more primitive stuff (like Pitfall) would be a bit pricey at 400pts though.

[Pegasus]

I'd love to see the Amiga version of Turrican 2: best game in the series on any platform, in my opinion. I'm very doubtful, though, that' we'll ever see C64 or Amiga games. Rumors have the annoying habit of being just that: rumors.

[alexknibb]

I'd love to see the Amiga version of Turrican 2: best game in the series on any platform, in my opinion. I'm very doubtful, though, that' we'll ever see C64 or Amiga games. Rumors have the annoying habit of being just that: rumors.

Amiga games would be great. Bearing in mind that the Amiga disk was only 880k, even 'huge' games like Monkey Island 2 which came on something like 14 disks wouldn't really make too much of a dent in the Wii's internal memory. Also, before disks got huge, programmers actually had to consider how to pack as much as possible into a small space, something which is lacking now with bloatware everywhere. Anyone remember Elite 2: Frontier? That was on a single 880k disk and was HUGE. That's what you get when a game is programmed by a former maths student. ;)

Anyway, back on topic, I think 900 points is perfectly fine. Regardless of any other issues, you have to put it in context of what else you could spend that money on. For me, 900 points is about six quid. For my money, if a game costing six quid will keep me occupied and entertained for 4 hours, then it's worth the money as it's equivalent to 2 Blockbuster DVD rentals. Rule no.1 of a capitalist economy - something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and I'm certain many, many people will be more than happy parting with 900 points for the better NG games.

Plus, most people in the UK missed out on it completely, so we'll probably devour all the games with glee. :)

[DEMON212]

Well when Fury gets chucked on Live (Today) with all sorts of extras added, for only 400 points (£3.63). I say 900 is pricey.

[DEMON212]

Yes, they take up more room. But is that because of the graphics and music? Or because the games are actually longer/larger?

Do NG Beat 'Em Ups have 20 stages and characters?

Didn't realise FF had a multiplayer mode. I never played the MP on the original, so I thought all it had was that mode with only 3 characters. Upon playing the LA version I realised FF had about 20 characters and stages.

But do Zelda type games have 15 dungeons? :lol:

[Drake]

Well when Fury gets chucked on Live (Today) with all sorts of extras added, for only 400 points (£3.63). I say 900 is pricey.
Fatal Fury Special is way different from the original Fatal Fury. It's more like Fatal Fury 2.

[DEMON212]

Ok, so when FF2's probably gonna be 900... :lol:

[samaine]

I don't know anything about the Neo Geo, so what's considered as the best game released for it?

Currently known to be on the VC, Fatal Fury... However, the King of Fighters '98 was the best game not named Metal Slug for the Neo-Geo. This particular Neo-Geo game was the rival to Capcom's best fighting game, Street Fighter Alpha 3, and was the choice SNK fighting game for tournaments for a long time.

[Tull]

But do Zelda type games have 15 dungeons? :lol:

Raise the bar, TLoZ have 18 :p

[DEMON212]

The origonal?

Think I beat one before I gave up wandering around aimlessly whilst attacking with a sword that can only stab/thrust.

If Drake hadn't told me about the Fire Wand on Neu, I'd have never touched it again.

I've just done the 2nd dungeon on it.

Anyway, point was. I never knew.

Think I might give it another go actually.

[Tull]

The origonal?

Yea, two quests with 9 dungeons ;)

Think I beat one before I gave up wandering around aimlessly whilst attacking with a sword that can only stab/thrust.

If Drake hadn't told me about the Fire Wand on Neu, I'd have never touched it again.

I've just done the 2nd dungeon on it.

Anyway, point was. I never knew.

Think I might give it another go actually.

Wish i had cash and time for Neu now :p

[The shoemaker]

I never played neo geo is that those old big arcade machines? If so wouldn't the games be not worth it since theres only like 3 levels. Anyway this is what I think Nintendo should do. The great Snes games should be 800, but the not so great SNES should be 700, get my point. On differnt systems the good ones should coast high but the not so great should be low. N64: good 1000 not so good 900 neo geo: good 900 not so good 800 NES: good 500 not so good 400. Well that's what I think, also this was kinda off topic. But when someone said 900 is too much I just thought Nintendo should have it good games pay lots not so good not so much.

[samaine]

I've actually calculated just how much space some of the later Giga Power cartridges would take up...

Garou: Mark of the Wolves
King of Fighters '98
Samurai Shodown 5
SVC Chaos: SNK vs. Capcom
King of Fighter 2003

Those five games are the largest of Neo-Geo's library... them, Internet Channel, and Paper Mario will fill up your Wii Internal Memory.

We likely won't get the Giga Power games, but 100 Mega Shock games are DEFINATELY small enough for the Virtual Console.

[EnglishRob]

Well when Fury gets chucked on Live (Today) with all sorts of extras added, for only 400 points (£3.63). I say 900 is pricey.

At the moment I don't have an XBOX 360, in fact I don't have any plans to buy one for at least a year (got a wedding to save up for) so 900 points for a Neo Geo game seems reasonable to me. Saying that I wasn't a major fan of Fatal Fury so I'd probably get that after some of my Neo Geo favourites had been released.

I do see your point though, XBL does seem a bit more reasonable, but then again it's a different console.

Rob

[NESHero]

Im actually exited about Neo Geo and MSX as ive never experenced them yet, but as for C64 that would be freaking awesome.
I love the c64

[hairymike87]

i dont think neo-geo games will be worth 900 points at all. yesturday in the USA we got 3 games that are total crap. i hate fatal fury. it will never be as good as street fighter II.

[Zombie]

Yes, they take up more room. But is that because of the graphics and music? Or because the games are actually longer/larger?

Do NG Beat 'Em Ups have 20 stages and characters?

Do NG Zelda type games have 15 dungeons?

Every NG game I've played has been a short one, and that's why I reckon 900 is a bit steep.

So I'd hope the games I haven't played are longer. To justify the high price.

Personally there's some SNES games that aren't worth 800, and there'll be some 64 games not worth 1,000 etc...

There will always be games that aren't worth what they cost, but there is no way they would get a price cut because of it.

From what I hear the original games cost like $200? And $9 is a steal compared to that.

I know popular series like metal slug are available on compilations , but a lot aren't I'm sure.

[ICEknight]

This is getting to the point where they should really consider lowering the prices for those games that just aren't obviously worth so much, despites the system they were released on.

Games like Blue's Journey should cost around 600, Fatal Fury 700 at most, etc.

[Balrog]

i dont think neo-geo games will be worth 900 points at all. yesturday in the USA we got 3 games that are total crap. i hate fatal fury. it will never be as good as street fighter II.

Fatal Fury was first~

[ICEknight]

Fatal Fury was first~
Street Fighter II was released almost one year before.

[SKTTR]

Fatal Fury (C) 1991
Street Fighter II (C) 1992

[ICEknight]

Street Fighter II (C) 1992
Uh, no you're wrong.

[Shortay]

Uh, no you're wrong.

'91 in NA and JPN, '92 in EU

[Beholder]

Street Fighter II was released almost one year before.

No, Fatal Fury was first. They were both released almost at the same period of the year in japan.

Not every fighting game is a copy of Street Fighter.

[ICEknight]

Check your facts again, Street Fighter II was released in Japan several months before Fatal Fury.

Almost one year before, I think.

[ICEknight]

'92 in EU
These games weren't developed in Europe, so that's kinda irrelevant.

[Balrog]

Check your facts again, Street Fighter II was released in Japan several months before Fatal Fury.

Almost one year before, I think.

Fatal Fury and SF were made in the same year. Fatal Fury was made a few months before SF. I think you need to check your facts again.

As Fatal Fury was considered a rip-off of Street Fighter II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_II) in the early days (although in actuality, Fatal Fury was developed before Street Fighter II), Duck King's possession of the Headspin Attack drew a lot of comparison to the character Blanka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanka) for possessing the same special move (Blanka's = Rolling Attack) and having unorthodox fighting styles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_King

[ICEknight]

Hi guys, here's the facts:

Street Fighter II: February 6 1991
Fatal Fury: November 1991


Just don't trust Wikipedia blindly. I myself had to correct some stuff from there in the past... And speaking of it, I've just come across some more wrong info recently, regarding the TurboGrafx distribution in Europe.

[Balrog]

Hi guys, here's the facts:

Street Fighter II: February 6 1991
Fatal Fury: November 1991


Just don't trust Wikipedia blindly. I myself had to correct some stuff from there in the past... And speaking of it, I've just come across some more wrong info recently, regarding the TurboGrafx distribution in Europe.

And your source is... huh? I'll bet those are the US or Euro releases.

People have come to generally trust Wikipedia because the pages are monitored quite often. If there's a fact they don't agree with it's deleted or questioned shortly after. I read that page about a week ago. The paragraph is still there. Wherever you got your info from shouldn't be trusted blindly either, if you go by that logic.

Also if what you say IS true, Wiki said developed, not published. Publishing only matters for money. Development matters for what's the clone. In this case, SF is the clone.

[ICEknight]

And your source is... huh? I'll bet those are the US or Euro releases.
Official word from Capcom, I believe. If that was a European or US date, it would have been released even earlier in Japan, so I don't get your point.

Also if what you say IS true, Wiki said developed, not published. Publishing only matters for money. Development matters for what's the clone. In this case, SF is the clone.
It wasn't said be "The Wikipedia", just by one guy who wasn't involved in the development at all, and probably just typed that from memory.

Normally, when you state things like that in there, you put a source to it... And in this case not only there's no source, but it even contradicts the SF2 and FF1 pages in the Wikipedia itself.

[Balrog]

Official word from Capcom, I believe. If that was a European or US date, it would have been released even earlier in Japan, so I don't get your point.

Show me this "official word". US and Euro releases differ a lot from Japan releases. Believe me I know. If someone didn't know better, SFII could have been released in 1986 and Fatal Fury in 1989 and actually be taken seriously. If someone didn't know better.

It wasn't said be "The Wikipedia", just by one guy who wasn't involved in the development at all, and probably just typed that from memory.

It's Wikipedia. Almost everything is typed from memory. And your point? He could easily have asked Capcom or SNK or have gotten a viable source. I've noticed a lot of SNK related stuff usually comes from "All About SNK", basically the SNK encyclopedia.

Normally, when you state things like that in there, you put a source to it... And in this case not only there's no source, but it even contradicts the SF2 and FF1 pages in the Wikipedia itself.

Wiki does not provide exact release dates for SF, I JUST checked. They do for all the updates though. Not only that, you did not put a source. Nor did you read my post: Dev is not pub.

[ICEknight]

Show me this "official word".
I think it's in one of the later CapCom game compilations, can't bother to check it out, sorry.
US and Euro releases differ a lot from Japan releases. Believe me I know.
Erm... Duh, everybody knows that.
Wiki does not provide exact release dates for SF, I JUST checked. They do for all the updates though. Not only that, you did not put a source. Nor did you read my post: Dev is not pub.
I did, but you didn't read mine it seems. I said that the small comment you found in one of the character's profiles even contradicts the main page about the game.


Yes, you're defending a small contradicting comment some random guy posted from memory.

[Balrog]

Erm... Duh, everybody knows that.

If that was a European or US date, it would have been released even earlier in Japan, so I don't get your point.

Why hullo thar what's this? This makes no sense and only leads to questions and a waste of time. Releases only matter for the public.

I did, but you didn't read mine it seems. I said that the small comment you found in one of the character's profiles even contradicts the main page about the game.

Not really because it does not provide a release date on Fatal Fury, nor is it an official profile. I don't see no other proof, so I refuse to change my opnion until I get some legitimacy.

I think it's in one of the later CapCom game compilations, can't bother to check it out, sorry.

That is where your argument crumbles. Proof or it didn't happen.

Yes, you're defending a small contradicting comment some random guy posted from memory.

And you are defending something you can barely remember, from SNK's own rival, and a random compilation.

Oh and you don't capitalize the second C. All caps or the first letter.

Hey I find it funny most of your posts have been edited. Mind explaining?

[ICEknight]

Jeez, whatever.

Is it that hard to understand that Fatal Fury came after Street fighter II? This is getting ridiculous.




*(Edited for grammatical reasons)
**(Edited for spelling reasons)

[Balrog]

Giving up? *claps* Good show.
--------
Now back on topic: honestly I think NeoGeo games are worth 900 points. Compare to the immense price of the original copy. Who wants to pay that? Not me. Not anyone here. Unless you want the original cartridge (which I understand).

[DEMON212]

Er, can I just throw this into the mix here?

Streetfighter II.

II.

2.

TWO!

Meaning...

That there is a "Streetfighter" out there.

So even if FF came before SFII, did it come before I?

[ICEknight]

That's from 1987, I believe.

[Balrog]

Er, can I just throw this into the mix here?

Streetfighter II.

II.

2.

TWO!

Meaning...

That there is a "Streetfighter" out there.

So even if FF came before SFII, did it come before I?

Yep. Pretty similar to FF to. Oh wait:

Producers Takashi Nishiyama and Hiroshi Matsumoto, who were the producers of the series from Fatal Fury 3 and onward were the planners of the original Street Fighter (where they're credited as Piston Takashi and Finish Hiroshi). Matsumoto is also the creator of the Art of Fighting series.

[DEMON212]

That's from 1987, I believe.

Yay, my birth year 8)

BTW, unless I've missed something here, did Balrog just kill his own argument?

[Balrog]

No. SF and SFII are two different things.

[DEMON212]

No. SF and SFII are two different things.

But you lot were deabting about FF being a Streetfighter clone.

No, Fatal Fury was first. They were both released almost at the same period of the year in japan.

Not every fighting game is a copy of Street Fighter.

Check your facts again, Street Fighter II was released in Japan several months before Fatal Fury.

Almost one year before, I think.

Fatal Fury and SF were made in the same year. Fatal Fury was made a few months before SF. I think you need to check your facts again.

As Fatal Fury was considered a rip-off of Street Fighter II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_II) in the early days (although in actuality, Fatal Fury was developed before Street Fighter II), Duck King's possession of the Headspin Attack drew a lot of comparison to the character Blanka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanka) for possessing the same special move (Blanka's = Rolling Attack) and having unorthodox fighting styles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_King

[Balrog]

Put it this way:

I tried to help correct on a date. Ice thought SFII was before FF. Arguement where my oint was backed up and his point didn't have a source (Says it was some Capcom compilation but "wasn't bothered to check it"). Then quit.

Though SF is an frustrating yet fun game.